Hi everyone, Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve created called LOAJAX. LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. Check it out at http://blog.loajax.com Cheers, Kelvin. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Very nice! Thanks On Nov 7, 2007 11:43 PM, Kelvin Jones <kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > created called LOAJAX. > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > Check it out at http://blog.loajax.com > > Cheers, > > Kelvin. > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
He he. I saw absolutely NO difference in FF on WinXPSP2 On 07/11/2007, Kelvin Jones <kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > created called LOAJAX. > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > Check it out at http://blog.loajax.com > > Cheers, > > Kelvin. > > > > >-- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Ha. Once I read the source I DID see a difference. Very nice. On 08/11/2007, Richard Quadling <rquadling-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> He he. > > I saw absolutely NO difference in FF on WinXPSP2 > > On 07/11/2007, Kelvin Jones <kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > Check it out at http://blog.loajax.com > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ----- > Richard Quadling > Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" >-- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hmmm... weird. This is very experimental at the mo''. So I''m sure loads of issues will arise soon enough. It will be interesting to see if this is a valid concept though. On Nov 8, 12:04 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Ha. Once I read the source I DID see a difference. Very nice. > > On 08/11/2007, Richard Quadling <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > He he. > > > I saw absolutely NO difference in FF on WinXPSP2 > > > On 07/11/2007, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > Check it out athttp://blog.loajax.com > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kelvin. > > > -- > > ----- > > Richard Quadling > > Zend Certified Engineer :http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" > > -- > ----- > Richard Quadling > Zend Certified Engineer :http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi everyone, > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > created called LOAJAX. > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls.OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, is that the point? -- Rob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Ha ha. Shall we tell him? Look at the browser spinner/throbber. On 08/11/2007, RobG <rgqld-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > is that the point? > > -- > Rob > > > > >-- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
hi kelvin! Kelvin Jones [2007-11-07 23:43]:> LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls.this is great, really :-) i always hated to have to provide visual feedback for AJAX activities myself. works like a charm! (tested with Firefox 2.0.0.8 and Opera 9.23 on Linux x86_64) cheers jens -- Jens Wille, Dipl.-Bibl. (FH) prometheus - Das verteilte digitale Bildarchiv für Forschung & Lehre Kunsthistorisches Institut der Universität zu Köln Albertus-Magnus-Platz, D-50923 Köln Tel.: +49 (0)221 470-6668, E-Mail: jens.wille-31N1O1AsgN5n68oJJulU0Q@public.gmane.org http://www.prometheus-bildarchiv.de/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting option to have... any thoughts? On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > > is that the point? > > > -- > > Rob > > -- > ----- > Richard Quadling > Zend Certified Engineer :http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
a.rebholz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-Nov-08 14:49 UTC
Re: Announcing LOAJAX
But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? Or did I miss something? Alex 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones <kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:> > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > option to have... any thoughts? > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > I''ve > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > > > is that the point? > > > > > -- > > > Rob > > > > -- > > ----- > > Richard Quadling > > Zend Certified Engineer : > http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Typically i show an animated graphic that work is being done and lately I have been using a hidden form input/div to store whether or not an Ajax session is in place that way if they happen to miss seeing the animated graphic they get an alert saying that something is going on. Then call the clearing function in onComplete and OnFailure. On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.rebholz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > Or did I miss something? > > Alex > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones < kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > I''ve > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of > > browser, > > > > is that the point? > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rob > > > > > > -- > > > ----- > > > Richard Quadling > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > > http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Easier? Doubt it. More obvious? Probably. I''m not suggesting anyone change what they usually do. I really created this as an experiment to one problem that I have with AJAX currently... feedback is given differently on different sites. Now I believe additional feedback given to the user is a good thing, it''s an extra trigger to say that something is happening. I also know that when the spinny thing is going around in my Firefox tab, or when I have an egg timer for a cursor, that Firefox is doing something. Kelvin. On Nov 8, 2:49 pm, a.rebh...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > Or did I miss something? > > Alex > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > I''ve > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > > > > is that the point? > > > > > -- > > > > Rob > > > > -- > > > ----- > > > Richard Quadling > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > >http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
To some degree it may be more "obvious", but people have come to really understand the typical built-in browser page load indicators. Having both would be idea, IMHO. I think it''s a pretty cool idea, although using up one of the connections for a request that''s never intended to complete may be less desirable in some situations. -Jerod On Nov 8, 2007 11:21 AM, Brian Williams <brianw1975-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Typically i show an animated graphic that work is being done and lately I > have been using a hidden form input/div to store whether or not an Ajax > session is in place that way if they happen to miss seeing the animated > graphic they get an alert saying that something is going on. > > Then call the clearing function in onComplete and OnFailure. > > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.rebholz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > > Or did I miss something? > > > > Alex > > > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones < kelvinj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > > > > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > > wrote: > > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > > I''ve > > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of > > > browser, > > > > > is that the point? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ----- > > > > Richard Quadling > > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > > > http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
@Jerod - Using one of the browser connections could be an issue if you hit a page on the same domain as your AJAX request. For this reason, the default is that it hits a page on loajax.com, althought his can be easily changed. On Nov 8, 5:22 pm, "Jerod Venema" <jven...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> To some degree it may be more "obvious", but people have come to really > understand the typical built-in browser page load indicators. Having both > would be idea, IMHO. I think it''s a pretty cool idea, although using up one > of the connections for a request that''s never intended to complete may be > less desirable in some situations. > > -Jerod > > On Nov 8, 2007 11:21 AM, Brian Williams <brianw1...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Typically i show an animated graphic that work is being done and lately I > > have been using a hidden form input/div to store whether or not an Ajax > > session is in place that way if they happen to miss seeing the animated > > graphic they get an alert saying that something is going on. > > > Then call the clearing function in onComplete and OnFailure. > > > On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.rebh...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > > > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > > > Or did I miss something? > > > > Alex > > > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > > > I''ve > > > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of > > > > browser, > > > > > > is that the point? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > -- > > > > > ----- > > > > > Richard Quadling > > > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > > > >http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
It simulates a traditional browser request, delays the interface as if it were in the process of refreshing, that is the difference. This is going to add weight to the interface so if you have are trying to shave seconds this might not be wise. As a usability asset i think it is pretty handy if it were completely cross browser. I noticed similar behavior in my ajax history solution as it processes a form submission into an iframe to register a history event with the browser w/o top document reload. http://positionabsolute.net/blog/2007/07/javascript-history-service.php Utilizing this would reveal similar loading behaviors in the browser as well as allowing history support. On Nov 8, 12:50 pm, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> @Jerod - Using one of the browser connections could be an issue if you > hit a page on the same domain as your AJAX request. For this reason, > the default is that it hits a page on loajax.com, althought his can be > easily changed. > > On Nov 8, 5:22 pm, "Jerod Venema" <jven...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > To some degree it may be more "obvious", but people have come to really > > understand the typical built-in browser page load indicators. Having both > > would be idea, IMHO. I think it''s a pretty cool idea, although using up one > > of the connections for a request that''s never intended to complete may be > > less desirable in some situations. > > > -Jerod > > > On Nov 8, 2007 11:21 AM, Brian Williams <brianw1...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Typically i show an animated graphic that work is being done and lately I > > > have been using a hidden form input/div to store whether or not an Ajax > > > session is in place that way if they happen to miss seeing the animated > > > graphic they get an alert saying that something is going on. > > > > Then call the clearing function in onComplete and OnFailure. > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.rebh...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > > > > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > > > > Or did I miss something? > > > > > Alex > > > > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > > > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > > > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > > > > I''ve > > > > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of > > > > > browser, > > > > > > > is that the point? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > Richard Quadling > > > > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > > > > >http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
It would be interesting to see how much of an overhead making that extra HTTP connection actually adds to the page, and whether it''s asynchronous or not. My gut tells me that the overhead would be very small, although the fact that we are manipulating the DOM means that there must be some overhead. I would love to see the different browsers add this kind of behaviour to XHR object natively as an option. On Nov 8, 6:35 pm, Matt Foster <mattfoste...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It simulates a traditional browser request, delays the interface as if > it were in the process of refreshing, that is the difference. This is > going to add weight to the interface so if you have are trying to > shave seconds this might not be wise. As a usability asset i think it > is pretty handy if it were completely cross browser. > > I noticed similar behavior in my ajax history solution as it processes > a form submission into an iframe to register a history event with the > browser w/o top document reload. > > http://positionabsolute.net/blog/2007/07/javascript-history-service.php > > Utilizing this would reveal similar loading behaviors in the browser > as well as allowing history support. > > On Nov 8, 12:50 pm, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > @Jerod - Using one of the browser connections could be an issue if you > > hit a page on the same domain as your AJAX request. For this reason, > > the default is that it hits a page on loajax.com, althought his can be > > easily changed. > > > On Nov 8, 5:22 pm, "Jerod Venema" <jven...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > To some degree it may be more "obvious", but people have come to really > > > understand the typical built-in browser page load indicators. Having both > > > would be idea, IMHO. I think it''s a pretty cool idea, although using up one > > > of the connections for a request that''s never intended to complete may be > > > less desirable in some situations. > > > > -Jerod > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 11:21 AM, Brian Williams <brianw1...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Typically i show an animated graphic that work is being done and lately I > > > > have been using a hidden form input/div to store whether or not an Ajax > > > > session is in place that way if they happen to miss seeing the animated > > > > graphic they get an alert saying that something is going on. > > > > > Then call the clearing function in onComplete and OnFailure. > > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.rebh...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > But isn''t it easier and more obvious for the user to show the typical > > > > > spinning wheel while ajax content is loaded? > > > > > Or did I miss something? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > 2007/11/8, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>: > > > > > > > In some browsers it''s more obvious than in others. > > > > > > > For example, in IE7 you can see the spinny thing turn, but in Firefox > > > > > > & Opera you get an egg-timer as well. > > > > > > > Come to think of it... changing the cursor might be an interesting > > > > > > option to have... any thoughts? > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 1:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > > > > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones < kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that > > > > > > I''ve > > > > > > > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > > > > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > > > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of > > > > > > browser, > > > > > > > > is that the point? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > Richard Quadling > > > > > > > Zend Certified Engineer : > > > > > >http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > > > > > > > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Nov 8, 11:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > > created called LOAJAX. > > > > LOAJAX adds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > > is that the point? > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber.That pretty much sums it up - it''s interesting technically, but does it deliver anything useful? UI design is not something that I claim to be an expert (or even competent) in. However, that''s not going to stop me expressing an opinion. :-) The "page loading" indicator is different in each browser, generally it is somewhere at the top and toward the right (in some browsers, the extreme top right) which is about the last place users will look when a page is loading. They are generally concentrating either on the top left (where content will usually first appear) or on the spot they just interacted with (the submit button, the field they modified, whatever). So there is little point in using a subtle animation in a location that is unlikely to be noticed. There''s a reason why most page load animations are set to occur right in the middle of the screen or window. :-) What is a user to make of the indication that a page is loading? Clearly that is inappropriate in some cases (e.g. type-ahead searches) but useful in others (clicking a button that is supposed to do something). So the fact that an interaction is occuring with the server is not what the user needs to know about, and it''s another choice for programmers to decide which effect should be used for what action (and programmers are notoriously bad judges of that). Also, if what the user just did is important from a business process perspective, they need more feed back than "the page was loading... the page stoped loading... something", they need to be told explicitly "you just updated the foo record" or similar. I focus on the status bar since that has useful information (I use Safar). So while the page loading indicator is doing its thing at the top (and increasingly more to the right as tabs are added) my focus is at the other end of the window. My overall impression is that this is an interesting novelty that adds little to the user experience. But I may be mistaken about that. -- Rob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Rob, I seem to have missed this post last week. I think the points that you make are entirely valid. A lot of AJAX requests are done in an unobtrusive manner, to enhance the user experience, e.g. the type-ahead search such that you see on Google maps. Then there are the AJAX requests that should be more obtrusive, e.g. a form submitted using AJAX. I think that this would be a valid use of LOAJAX, but only as a supplement to a more visual feedback mechanic as is typically used. Cheers, Kelvin. On Nov 9, 12:09 am, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Nov 8, 11:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > On 08/11/2007, RobG <rg...-AFFH1GffN5hPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <kelv...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I''ve > > > > created calledLOAJAX. > > > > >LOAJAXadds real browser feedback to Prototype''s Ajax calls. > > > > OK, you''ve got me. I don''t see any difference regardless of browser, > > > is that the point? > > > Ha ha. Shall we tell him? > > > Look at the browser spinner/throbber. > > That pretty much sums it up - it''s interesting technically, but does > it deliver anything useful? UI design is not something that I claim > to be an expert (or even competent) in. However, that''s not going to > stop me expressing an opinion. :-) > > The "page loading" indicator is different in each browser, generally > it is somewhere at the top and toward the right (in some browsers, the > extreme top right) which is about the last place users will look when > a page is loading. They are generally concentrating either on the top > left (where content will usually first appear) or on the spot they > just interacted with (the submit button, the field they modified, > whatever). So there is little point in using a subtle animation in a > location that is unlikely to be noticed. There''s a reason why most > page load animations are set to occur right in the middle of the > screen or window. :-) > > What is a user to make of the indication that a page is loading? > Clearly that is inappropriate in some cases (e.g. type-ahead searches) > but useful in others (clicking a button that is supposed to do > something). So the fact that an interaction is occuring with the > server is not what the user needs to know about, and it''s another > choice for programmers to decide which effect should be used for what > action (and programmers are notoriously bad judges of that). > > Also, if what the user just did is important from a business process > perspective, they need more feed back than "the page was loading... > the page stoped loading... something", they need to be told explicitly > "you just updated the foo record" or similar. > > I focus on the status bar since that has useful information (I use > Safar). So while the page loading indicator is doing its thing at the > top (and increasingly more to the right as tabs are added) my focus is > at the other end of the window. > > My overall impression is that this is an interesting novelty that adds > little to the user experience. But I may be mistaken about that. > > -- > Rob--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---