michaelmblass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-Sep-25 14:24 UTC
O''Reilly Post
I was sad to see this O''Reilly post in today''s blog, but I thought I''d send it along for all of our inevitable debates: http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html Cheers, Mike B --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
"Beaten to death" over at http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/23/1249235 already On 9/25/07, michaelmblass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <michaelmblass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I was sad to see this O''Reilly post in today''s blog, but I thought I''d > send it along for all of our inevitable debates: > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html > > > Cheers, > > Mike B > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 25/09/2007, Andrew Kaspick <akaspick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > "Beaten to death" over at > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/23/1249235 already > > On 9/25/07, michaelmblass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <michaelmblass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > I was sad to see this O''Reilly post in today''s blog, but I thought I''d > > send it along for all of our inevitable debates: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mike BMy take on this is that he liked PHP and wanted PHP. Tried Ruby, didn''t like it, due to his PHP baggage. Learnt a LOT about writing proper sites and then reinvented the wheel in PHP. So, he learnt some good and cool stuff about Ruby and then applied it in PHP. I''d say that is a plus-ish. BTW. I use PHP all day. -- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
michaelmblass wrote:> I was sad to see this O''Reilly post in today''s blog, but I thought I''d > send it along for all of our inevitable debates: > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.htmlNothing to do with Rails, and everything to do with Best and Worst Practices in project deployment. The new programmer should have put a feature online in the first week, adjacent to the existing system. There are those who call this the Strangler Fig pattern. Here''s my rebuttal to that post: http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/09/big_requirements_up_front.html And please don''t everyone get so shocked when your favorite sacred cow gets flamed! (-; -- Phlip --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Phlip wrote:> Here''s my rebuttal to that post: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/09/big_requirements_up_front.html > > And please don''t everyone get so shocked when your favorite sacred cow > gets flamed! (-; >I think you nailed it. Steve --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I wish I had read your rebuttal five years ago ;) I think I''m going to print it and give it to my new developer. Cheers! -------------------> -----Original Message----- > From: rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > [mailto:rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Phlip > Sent: 25 September 2007 16:25 > To: rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > Subject: [Rails-spinoffs] Re: O''Reilly Post > > > michaelmblass wrote: > > > I was sad to see this O''Reilly post in today''s blog, but I > thought I''d > > send it along for all of our inevitable debates: > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switch > ed_back_to_p_1.html > > Nothing to do with Rails, and everything to do with Best and Worst > Practices in project deployment. > > The new programmer should have put a feature online in the first week, > adjacent to the existing system. There are those who call this the > Strangler Fig pattern. > > Here''s my rebuttal to that post: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/09/big_requirements > _up_front.html > > And please don''t everyone get so shocked when your favorite sacred cow > gets flamed! (-; > > -- > Phlip > > > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sep 26, 1:24 am, Phlip <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Here''s my rebuttal to that post: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/09/big_requirements_up_fro...I don''t see that as rebuttal, more like agreement. :-) -- Rob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/09/big_requirements_up_fro... > > I don''t see that as rebuttal, more like agreement. :-)The original poster was very careful not to say "Rails sucks". But of course he let everyone read that. And of course he didn''t recognize his root process problem - deploy early and often! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---