Hi All, Has anyone here used zkoss.org? What do you think of it in comparison to scriptaculous? -- Leonard Burton, N9URK http://www.jiffyslides.com service-CbOvBfcOUrWrJCssh9Shfg@public.gmane.org leonardburton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org "The prolonged evacuation would have dramatically affected the survivability of the occupants." --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
As far as I can see (http://zkoss.org/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/ dragdrop.js, http://zkoss.org/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/effects.js), this lib is heavily based on a copyright-stripped and slightly minimized version of script.aculo.us. There no mention, anywhere on the site or in the docs (as far as I''ve seen) about either script.aculo.us or Prototype (which is also part of the lib, slightly minimized and copyrightless too). Some of the components added on top are quite nice, but can you really trust where they come from ? Tobie On Mar 7, 9:25 pm, "Leonard Burton" <leonardbur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi All, > > Has anyone here used zkoss.org? > > What do you think of it in comparison to scriptaculous? > > -- > Leonard Burton, N9URKhttp://www.jiffyslides.com > serv...-CbOvBfcOUrWrJCssh9Shfg@public.gmane.org > leonardbur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > "The prolonged evacuation would have dramatically affected the > survivability of the occupants."--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
In looking just at their prototype.js code, the level of similarity is extremely high. They''ve made a few changes to obfuscate the code, but nothing to make it unreadable. I''m sure this is against all sort of fair usage and licensing / copyright rules. Stay away until the full copyright is returned. And even then. If they can''t give credit where credit is due, then who knows who they will blame for bugs! On 08/03/07, tobie <tobie.langel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > As far as I can see (http://zkoss.org/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/ > dragdrop.js, http://zkoss.org/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/effects.js), > this lib is heavily based on a copyright-stripped and slightly > minimized version of script.aculo.us. > > There no mention, anywhere on the site or in the docs (as far as I''ve > seen) about either script.aculo.us or Prototype (which is also part of > the lib, slightly minimized and copyrightless too). > > Some of the components added on top are quite nice, but can you really > trust where they come from ? > > Tobie > > > On Mar 7, 9:25 pm, "Leonard Burton" <leonardbur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Has anyone here used zkoss.org? > > > > What do you think of it in comparison to scriptaculous? > > > > -- > > Leonard Burton, N9URKhttp://www.jiffyslides.com > > serv...-CbOvBfcOUrWrJCssh9Shfg@public.gmane.org > > leonardbur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > > > "The prolonged evacuation would have dramatically affected the > > survivability of the occupants." > > > > >-- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 8, 2:44 am, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> In looking just at their prototype.js code, the level of similarity is > extremely high. They''ve made a few changes to obfuscate the code, but > nothing to make it unreadable. > > I''m sure this is against all sort of fair usage and licensing / copyright rules. > > Stay away until the full copyright is returned. And even then. > > If they can''t give credit where credit is due, then who knows who they > will blame for bugs!In fairness to them, the licensing is only stripped from the ShrinkSafe''d version. If you download the full ZK source, there are uncompressed versions of Prototype and Scriptaculous which have intact copyright info. I don''t really know how I feel about this, but it fails to exceed my Rage Threshold. Cheers, Andrew --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
ZK has been around for a long time, it''s more of a meta framework (integrates with dojo, sau, etc..) I wouldn''t be too worried about them passing stuff off as their own that they didn''t create. I''d call what just happened here a mixture of FUD and jumping to conclusions. "Move along now, nothing to see here..." On 3/8/07, Andrew Dupont <google-TiabPMV39B5K4mp1Ns0Z8Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On Mar 8, 2:44 am, "Richard Quadling" <rquadl...-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > In looking just at their prototype.js code, the level of similarity is > > extremely high. They''ve made a few changes to obfuscate the code, but > > nothing to make it unreadable. > > > > I''m sure this is against all sort of fair usage and licensing / > copyright rules. > > > > Stay away until the full copyright is returned. And even then. > > > > If they can''t give credit where credit is due, then who knows who they > > will blame for bugs! > > In fairness to them, the licensing is only stripped from the > ShrinkSafe''d version. If you download the full ZK source, there are > uncompressed versions of Prototype and Scriptaculous which have intact > copyright info. > > I don''t really know how I feel about this, but it fails to exceed my > Rage Threshold. > > Cheers, > Andrew > > > > >-- Ryan Gahl Application Development Consultant Athena Group, Inc. Inquire: 1-920-955-1457 Blog: http://www.someElement.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I didn''t mean to stirr anything really. Just that uncleared licensing issues can mean trouble down the line. And mentioning what you build on just seems basic etiquette. Regards, Tobie --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
np Tobie, we all know it was out of love for our beloved proto and scripty :-) But aside from all that... it appears, OP man... that the answer is no, we haven''t used ZK too much around these parts. On 3/8/07, tobie <tobie.langel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > I didn''t mean to stirr anything really. > > Just that uncleared licensing issues can mean trouble down the line. > > And mentioning what you build on just seems basic etiquette. > > Regards, > > Tobie > > > > > >-- Ryan Gahl Application Development Consultant Athena Group, Inc. Inquire: 1-920-955-1457 Blog: http://www.someElement.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
As a matter of fact, I''m still working on collecting data for this: http://prototypejs.org/2007/2/1/a-call-to-prototype-developers And my first thought was: wow, cool, another great lib to add to this. I was kind of disappointed by the way they treated copyright issues... Actually, I''d love for them to clear up that licensing issue and join the show-case, so if anyone feels like dropping them an email... (They''re using GPL for their own stuff though... so that might be an issue). --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Spinoffs" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-spinoffs-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---