Looking over the callback order I am thinking it would be nice to simplify things. The current callback list is as follows ****************************** before_validation - validate after_validation before_save around_save before_create/update around_create/update - save after_create/update after_save after_commit/after_rollback ****************************** Having the secondary create/update callbacks appear in the order seems unnecessary to me. Following the example of before_validation on: :create. I believe before_create should just be syntactic sugar for before_save on: :create. This would simplify the callback list to simply ****************************** before_validation - validation after_validation before_save around_save - save after_save after_commit/after_rollback ****************************** This isn't backward compatible if an application relies on the special ordering of save vs create/update callbacks, instead of based on the order of definition. In my opinion, that is a gotcha instead of a feature anyway. I will gladly implement this if such a pull request would be accepted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rubyonrails-core+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.