I'd like to deprecate methods like includes and eager_load in Rails since I think it is possible to automatically detect when they are needed. Ideally the developer could know very little about how databases work and still get very efficient queries using just the ORM. What do other people think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rubyonrails-core+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-core@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-core. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.