Akhilesh Singh
2022-May-20 13:19 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
Dear Sir, I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my department since 1986. Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I use the default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But, this text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio is too heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from agriculture stream.* Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained by Thomas J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into archives and not being maintained by anyone. At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily, and some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being maintained anymore by CRAN. Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must be maintained. Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and with the facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly make sure to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. Or, Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntax highlighting features and capability of creating basic reports*. Or, Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only, like the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating some basic reports. *In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap among the beginner students to learn R.* Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. Thaing you. Dr. A.K. Singh Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) Department of Agricultural Statistics and Social Science (L) Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya, Raipur-492 012, Chhattisgarh, India Mobile: +918770625795 Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Jeff Newmiller
2022-May-22 06:33 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
As respectful as you are trying to be, this isn't normally how open source happens. Open source is a herd of cats, and the more "in charge" some of those cats are, the less interested they tend to become in scratching _your_ itch... they respect doers, not askers. Open source is developed and maintained by people like you... who need a feature. Such people rarely start out knowing how to do this... it is much more common that they have to learn as they go. But people who did not have that need rarely stick around to maintain a project even if they help out for awhile... so _you_ are likely going to need to do or at the very least help do this since it is so urgent for you. Note that occasionally a corporate sponsor will donate some money to pay students for awhile... like Google Summer of Code. But the maintenance is still tough afterward... sometimes it takes off, other times not. FWIW there are way too many independently maintained editors and terminal programs already out there for this to resonate with me. I don't share your interest in such a "minimalist" extension in the slightest... but I am just one mailing-list member. On May 20, 2022 6:19:43 AM PDT, Akhilesh Singh <akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com> wrote:>Dear Sir, > >I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, >Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my department since >1986. > >Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing >practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I use the >default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But, >this text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio >is too heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from >agriculture stream.* > >Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained >by Thomas >J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into archives and >not being maintained by anyone. > >At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. >But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily, >and some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being >maintained anymore by CRAN. > >Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must be maintained. > > >Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for >teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and with >the facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. > >Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly make >sure to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper >maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. > >Or, > >Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntax >highlighting features and capability of creating basic reports*. > >Or, > >Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only, >like the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating some >basic reports. > >*In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap among >the beginner students to learn R.* > >Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. > >Thaing you. > > >Dr. A.K. Singh >Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) >Department of Agricultural Statistics and Social Science (L) >Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya, Raipur-492 012, >Chhattisgarh, India >Mobile: +918770625795 >Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
Ivan Krylov
2022-May-22 06:35 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
Dear Dr. A.K. Singh, The person responsible for the "rite" package is Dr. Thomas J. Leeper, and he doesn't seem interested in maintaining it further: github.com/leeper/rite (I do like the idea of a Tcl/Tk text editor with tight R integration, but maintaining it, like maintaining anything, is a job one needs money and/or other motivation to perform.) Have you considered using some other programmer's text editor with R, like Notepad++? I've heard there's a companion utility that helps integrate R and Notepad++: github.com/halpo/NppToR -- Best regards, Ivan (just another list member)
Rui Barradas
2022-May-22 20:18 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
Hello, I have never used package rite but if you have years of experience with it and it is now without maintainer, why not contact the developer and former maintainer and become the next maintainer? And I disagree with the argument that RGui.exe is too simple therefore not suited for beginners. In fact, if it's simple it's easier to learn and to not have syntax highlighting forces the beginners to pay more attention to what they are doing. At least in my case it did. ANd when I look at my first scripts I notice two things, 1) the code is not very good but it worked and 2) the code is easy to follow. The latter is the point I'm trying to make, I was learning, exercises are not real life software, simplicity is natural and a feature, not an incovenience. Finally, there are many computer languages that are not distributed with an editor. R for Windows is. And R users are very lucky to have the R Core Team, to which we should be thankfull for developing and maintaining the R language itself, make that *extra* effort for us. Rui Barradas ?s 14:19 de 20/05/2022, Akhilesh Singh escreveu:> Dear Sir, > > I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, > Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my department since > 1986. > > Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing > practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I use the > default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But, > this text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio > is too heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from > agriculture stream.* > > Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained > by Thomas > J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into archives and > not being maintained by anyone. > > At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. > But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily, > and some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being > maintained anymore by CRAN. > > Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must be maintained. > > > Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for > teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and with > the facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. > > Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly make > sure to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper > maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. > > Or, > > Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntax > highlighting features and capability of creating basic reports*. > > Or, > > Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only, > like the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating some > basic reports. > > *In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap among > the beginner students to learn R.* > > Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. > > Thaing you. > > > Dr. A.K. Singh > Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) > Department of Agricultural Statistics and Social Science (L) > Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya, Raipur-492 012, > Chhattisgarh, India > Mobile: +918770625795 > Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
PIKAL Petr
2022-May-23 07:14 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
Hallo. What about Tinn R tinn-r.org/en It has syntax highlighting and you can easily send your whole code or its part to R from it. Cheers Petr> -----Original Message----- > From: R-help <r-help-bounces at r-project.org> On Behalf Of Akhilesh Singh > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 3:20 PM > To: r-help-owner at r-project.org; r-help mailing list <r-help at r-project.org> > Subject: [R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or thelike> > Dear Sir, > > I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, > Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my departmentsince> 1986. > > Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing > practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I usethe> default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But,this> text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio istoo> heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from agriculture > stream.* > > Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained by > Thomas J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into > archives and not being maintained by anyone. > > At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. > But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily,and> some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being > maintained anymore by CRAN. > > Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must bemaintained.> > > Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for > teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and withthe> facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. > > Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly makesure> to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper > maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. > > Or, > > Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntaxhighlighting> features and capability of creating basic reports*. > > Or, > > Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only,like> the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating somebasic> reports. > > *In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap amongthe> beginner students to learn R.* > > Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. > > Thaing you. > > > Dr. A.K. Singh > Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) Department of Agricultural > Statistics and Social Science (L) Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya,Raipur-> 492 012, Chhattisgarh, India > Mobile: +918770625795 > Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide R-project.org/posting- > guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Dr Eberhard Lisse
2022-May-24 09:52 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
As other have pointed out, use R-Studio. Works on Windows, Linux and the Mac and does all you need (and more). As other have pointed out CRAN does not "maintain" software. el On 20/05/2022 15:19, Akhilesh Singh wrote: [...]> At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical > classes. But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs > unnecessarily, and some of its features do not work, probably because > it is not being maintained anymore by CRAN.[...] -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el'
Gabor Grothendieck
2022-May-25 00:25 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
Soren Hojsgaard had also written a tcltk based editor R package and although it is deprecated too it may be simpler than rite in which case it is more likely to work. Contact him (he has other packages on CRAN) and see if he would send it to you and if it fits your needs. On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:54 AM Akhilesh Singh <akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com> wrote:> > Dear Sir, > > I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, > Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my department since > 1986. > > Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing > practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I use the > default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But, > this text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio > is too heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from > agriculture stream.* > > Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained > by Thomas > J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into archives and > not being maintained by anyone. > > At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. > But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily, > and some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being > maintained anymore by CRAN. > > Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must be maintained. > > > Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for > teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and with > the facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. > > Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly make > sure to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper > maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. > > Or, > > Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntax > highlighting features and capability of creating basic reports*. > > Or, > > Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only, > like the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating some > basic reports. > > *In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap among > the beginner students to learn R.* > > Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. > > Thaing you. > > > Dr. A.K. Singh > Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) > Department of Agricultural Statistics and Social Science (L) > Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya, Raipur-492 012, > Chhattisgarh, India > Mobile: +918770625795 > Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Statistics & Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com
Richard O'Keefe
2022-May-25 05:04 UTC
[R] Restoration of "rite" package of R as R-script editor or the like
The original message starts in the middle. What are the actual *requirements*? What do the students actually *need*? I am pretty much a minimalist in such matters. Edit code in one window using a lightweight editor. Run an R session in another window, using source(foo.R) whenever I want to reload foo.R. The single most important thing I need when doing this is to *document* what I am writing and how I meant to use it. The actual R code doesn't comprise all that much of the editing task. (And if I were doing it *right* it would comprise even less.) I remember being horrified when I gave some software engineering students a software reading exercise about 10 years ago. "How can you expect us to read 2 pages of code without syntax colouring?" "How can we read code if we can't run test cases?" If your students aren't already caught-up in syntax- colouring IDEs, this might be an opportunity to NOT cripple their minds. So we come to one of the requirement issues: how *much* R code (and documentation) are your students expected to write for each assignment? Are they given a template like # Library preamble: load required library packages. # Function preamble: define own functions. # Data preamble: acquire data. # Cleaning: select, extract, transform, and correct data. # Analysis: run analysis. # Sanity check: look at results to see if they make sense. # Save: write out results to include in the report. to start from? I personally have loathed vi and its successors since vi first appeared in Edinburgh. However, it *is* multiplatform, and it *does* have good support for R, or so I am told. freecodecamp.org/news/turning-vim-into-an-r-ide-cd9602e8c217 Emacs has had very good support for R for a long time, and it is multiplatform, and it integrates quite a lot of useful stuff. Other programming editors seem to have useful very high level stuff but to be like typing through cold porridge when it comes to actual typing. But tastes differ. So had you considered "atom"? goring.org/resources/atom_and_r.html There is an interesting comment in that page: "*If you are still getting started with R, I strongly suggest using RStudio* ." RStudio exists. It is actively maintained. There are textbooks for it. "Learning RStudio for R Statistical Computing" "Learn RStudio IDE: Quick, Effective, and Productive Data Science" "Beyond Spreadsheets with R" "Using R and RStudio for Data Management: Statistical Analysis and Graphics" "Reproducible Research with R and RStudio" "Getting Started with RStudio" which are just ones that I happen to have heard of. rstudio.com has a bunch of webinars called "RStudio Essentials" at rstudio.com/collections/rstudio-essentials and of course there are RStudio tutorial videos on Youtube. I think it could be argued that it would be unfair to students NOT to get them started with RStudio. One of my laptops runs Windows 10, and I have RStudio on it. I was in the computer repair shop with it last week, having stuck my thumb through the CD drive and snapped off the plastic facing of the CD tray. The repairman commented "we can't get parts for machines like that any more; we had to send a stack of them to recycling not so long ago" If an elderly machine that cost me NZD 150 when I bought it second-hand can run RStudio fine, are your students really going to have any trouble? On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 16:54, Akhilesh Singh <akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com> wrote:> Dear Sir, > > I am a professor at Indira Gandhi Agricultural University, Raipur, > Chhattisgarh, India. I have been teaching statistics in my department since > 1986. > > Almost since the last 10 years, I have included R capabilities in doing > practical-classes of various statistics courses in my department. I use the > default R-script editor that comes with RGUI.exe for that purpose. *But, > this text editor is too simple without syntax highlighting etc. And RStudio > is too heavy for the UG/PG level students who are basically from > agriculture stream.* > > Meanwhile, I came across a "rite" package which was earlier maintained > by Thomas > J. Leeper <thosjleeper at gmail.com>. Now, it has been put into archives and > not being maintained by anyone. > > At present, I am using the "rite" package for students' practical classes. > But, I am facing difficulties using it. Sometimes, it hangs unnecessarily, > and some of its features do not work, probably because it is not being > maintained anymore by CRAN. > > Therefore, to remove this difficulty, the "rite" package must be > maintained. > > > Sir, "rite" package is a very light weight editor for R codes suitable for > teaching to beginner students, with syntax highlighting facility and with > the facility of generating reports into HTML, markdown etc. > > Therefore, I request you ,*one and all who are in control, to kindly make > sure to include the "rite" package into the regular packages with proper > maintenance, which will immensely help the beginner students to learn R*. > > Or, > > Kindly make sure that the *default R-script-editor gets the syntax > highlighting features and capability of creating basic reports*. > > Or, > > Kindly make a lighter version of RStudio *for beginner student-level only, > like the "rite" package,* for executing R-scripts and for generating some > basic reports. > > *In fact, the lack of a proper R-script editor is a major handicap among > the beginner students to learn R.* > > Therefore, I earnestly request your kind attention to this problem. > > Thaing you. > > > Dr. A.K. Singh > Professor and Ex-Head (Agricultural Statistics) > Department of Agricultural Statistics and Social Science (L) > Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya, Raipur-492 012, > Chhattisgarh, India > Mobile: +918770625795 > Email: akhileshsingh.igkv at gmail.com > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]