The fact that for the first time we have so many messages in this group is proof that the question asked by Lainey is appropriate and necessary. No language is static, they evolve thanks to discussions like this. Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe the main branch of a repository for example. I wonder what would happen if there was a color named "redneck" instead of "indianred". Charles On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 10:37, Marc Roos <M.Roos at f1-outsourcing.eu> wrote:> > >name since it conveys the wrong indication of its purpose. But the > >word 'racist' in itself is not offensive. The act of being racist is > >offensive and wrong. Purging the word 'racist' won't help rid the > >world of racism. > > Indeed, if you would go down this road, where does it stop? You would be > eligible getting discussions why the female species is described with a > longer word than the male. Why is there even a 'man' part in 'woman'. I > can bet there are man and woman finding this offensive!!!! ;) > What do you think about these symbols for male and female? Should be > changed also, this male is now pointing up to heaven = good, and female > pointing down to hell = bad? ;) > > > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >-- Um ax?! :) -- Charles Novaes de Santana, PhD https://github.com/cndesantana [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Could we please stop this thread here? Please take any further discussions off-list, or we would need an R-chat list for these kind of discussions (I would subscribe, though). Cheers, Rainer> On 20 Nov 2020, at 11:28, Charles Novaes de Santana <charles.santana at gmail.com> wrote: > > The fact that for the first time we have so many messages in this group is > proof that the question asked by Lainey is appropriate and necessary. > > No language is static, they evolve thanks to discussions like this. > Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe the main > branch of a repository for example. > > I wonder what would happen if there was a color named "redneck" instead of > "indianred". > > Charles > > On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 10:37, Marc Roos <M.Roos at f1-outsourcing.eu> wrote: > >> >>> name since it conveys the wrong indication of its purpose. But the >>> word 'racist' in itself is not offensive. The act of being racist is >>> offensive and wrong. Purging the word 'racist' won't help rid the >>> world of racism. >> >> Indeed, if you would go down this road, where does it stop? You would be >> eligible getting discussions why the female species is described with a >> longer word than the male. Why is there even a 'man' part in 'woman'. I >> can bet there are man and woman finding this offensive!!!! ;) >> What do you think about these symbols for male and female? Should be >> changed also, this male is now pointing up to heaven = good, and female >> pointing down to hell = bad? ;) >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > > > -- > Um ax?! :) > > -- > Charles Novaes de Santana, PhD > https://github.com/cndesantana > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Orcid ID: 0000-0002-7490-0066 Department of Evolutionary Biology and Environmental Studies University of Z?rich Office Y34-J-74 Winterthurerstrasse 190 8075 Z?rich Switzerland Office: +41 (0)44 635 47 64 Cell: +41 (0)78 630 66 57 email: Rainer.Krug at uzh.ch Rainer at krugs.de Skype: RMkrug PGP: 0x0F52F982 [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Here?s a daft idea that brings it back to R For packages where there are problematic names, have aliases with acceptable names. Perhaps create a package to hold all those aliases. Then if a user wants their preferred names, load up the aliasing package and change them in bulk. Using a package means everyone has access to a standardized set of alternative terms. Just a thought. Coffee may not have kicked in yet. On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:36 AM Charles Novaes de Santana < charles.santana at gmail.com> wrote:> The fact that for the first time we have so many messages in this group is > proof that the question asked by Lainey is appropriate and necessary. > > No language is static, they evolve thanks to discussions like this. > Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe the main > branch of a repository for example. > > I wonder what would happen if there was a color named "redneck" instead of > "indianred". > > Charles > > On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 10:37, Marc Roos <M.Roos at f1-outsourcing.eu> wrote: > > > > > >name since it conveys the wrong indication of its purpose. But the > > >word 'racist' in itself is not offensive. The act of being racist is > > >offensive and wrong. Purging the word 'racist' won't help rid the > > >world of racism. > > > > Indeed, if you would go down this road, where does it stop? You would be > > eligible getting discussions why the female species is described with a > > longer word than the male. Why is there even a 'man' part in 'woman'. I > > can bet there are man and woman finding this offensive!!!! ;) > > What do you think about these symbols for male and female? Should be > > changed also, this male is now pointing up to heaven = good, and female > > pointing down to hell = bad? ;) > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > > -- > Um ax?! :) > > -- > Charles Novaes de Santana, PhD > https://github.com/cndesantana > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >-- Sent from Gmail Mobile [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
> Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe themain branch of a repository for example. Github is some sort of national language institute, with a board of literary, sociology, psychology professors? Afaik is github owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is known to be an offender of peoples rights. Who the @#$@#$ cares what they do?