On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100Jim Lemon <drjimlemon at gmail.com> <mailto:drjimlemon at gmail.com> wrote:> Hi Elaine,There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. Idon't think that it does anything against racism, sexism orantidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexiconto comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of theuser. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing thewords wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly,and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. >Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have saidthat! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric,alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield".cheers,Rolf -- Honorary Research FellowDepartment of StatisticsUniversity of AucklandPhone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 To Rolf's excellent example, I would add Mandy Rice-Davies' immortal words from the witness box. - T. Arthur Milne [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
And then there is also the issue of some people seeing it offensive and others
not seeing it offensive (and both camps are in the minority group).? Case
inpoint is look at the term being used for self-identification with California
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I also distinctly remember in the NAGPRA brouha of 2008 on the UC Berkeley
campus when the Metis chancellor of UCB at the time told several groups the term
Indian was derogatory and shouldn't be used--a variety of California Native
Americans gave him a piece of their mind in no uncertain terms...
Best, Mark E Hall
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 7:22:33 AM PST, T. A. Milne via R-help
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100Jim Lemon <drjimlemon at gmail.com>
<mailto:drjimlemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Elaine,There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence
everywhere. Idon't think that it does anything against racism, sexism
orantidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexiconto
comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of theuser. It is the
intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing thewords wastes your time,
blames those who use the words harmlessly,and gives the real offender time to
find another epithet.
>
Jim:? This is superbly expressed.? I wish that I could have saidthat! Your
posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric,alongside Dr.
Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield".cheers,Rolf
-- Honorary Research FellowDepartment of StatisticsUniversity of AucklandPhone:
+64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276
To Rolf's excellent example, I would add Mandy Rice-Davies' immortal
words from the witness box.
- T. Arthur Milne
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Appropriation of Indian Red as 'Chestnut' (or other alternative) will be viewed by some as 'making appropriate' the label for a colour, and no doubt by other groups as cultural theft by excising reference to its origin. Seems the best option is to recognise the actual etymology carries no semblance of offense whatsoever, and leave well alone. On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 10:44, Mark Hall <mhall89446 at att.net> wrote:> > > And then there is also the issue of some people seeing it offensive and others not seeing it offensive (and both camps are in the minority group). Case inpoint is look at the term being used for self-identification with California Native American groups List of Federally-Recognized Tribes in CA | Links and Resources > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > List of Federally-Recognized Tribes in CA | Links and Resources > > The Indian Health Service (IHS), an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services, is responsible fo... > | > > | > > | > > > I also distinctly remember in the NAGPRA brouha of 2008 on the UC Berkeley campus when the Metis chancellor of UCB at the time told several groups the term Indian was derogatory and shouldn't be used--a variety of California Native Americans gave him a piece of their mind in no uncertain terms... > Best, Mark E Hall > On Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 7:22:33 AM PST, T. A. Milne via R-help <r-help at r-project.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100Jim Lemon <drjimlemon at gmail.com> <mailto:drjimlemon at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Elaine,There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. Idon't think that it does anything against racism, sexism orantidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexiconto comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of theuser. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing thewords wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly,and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. > > > Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have saidthat! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric,alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield".cheers,Rolf > -- Honorary Research FellowDepartment of StatisticsUniversity of AucklandPhone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 > > To Rolf's excellent example, I would add Mandy Rice-Davies' immortal words from the witness box. > > > > - T. Arthur Milne > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.