The jab about a "private company" detracted from your point. It is a public benefit corporation, but either way they produce open source software that is frequently used to introduce people to R, and the company management structure is irrelevant. While I would have preferred to see a question that was open to any presentation format, forbidding discussion of how to teach R just because the query happens to limit itself to RStudio seems excessively narrow to me. I have been frustrated by the fact that there is no r-sig-windows, since I find myself uncomfortably discussing OS-specific issues on R-help for which there is no better place to forward them. Using the multi-OS RStudio for teaching R seems rather less off-topic than that. On August 13, 2020 3:15:31 PM PDT, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote:>Way off topic. Ask at RStudio. This is **R-Help** -- help on R >programming. RStudio is a private company. > >Bert Gunter > >"The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >and >sticking things into it." >-- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jonathan Greenberg <jgreenberg at unr.edu> >wrote: > >> Folks: >> >> I was wondering if you all would suggest some helpful RStudio >> configurations that make recording a session via e.g. zoom the most >useful >> for students doing remote learning. Thoughts? >> >> --j >> >> -- >> Jonathan A. Greenberg, PhD >> Randall Endowed Professor and Associate Professor of Remote Sensing >> Global Environmental Analysis and Remote Sensing (GEARS) Laboratory >> Natural Resources & Environmental Science >> University of Nevada, Reno >> 1664 N Virginia St MS/0186 >> Reno, NV 89557 >> Phone: 415-763-5476 >> https://www.gearslab.org/ >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
Well then: "Using the multi-OS RStudio for teaching R seems rather less off-topic than that." If the query is about teaching r, wouldn't R-Sig-teaching be the right place to post? Bert Gunter "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along and sticking things into it." -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 5:11 PM Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:> The jab about a "private company" detracted from your point. It is a > public benefit corporation, but either way they produce open source > software that is frequently used to introduce people to R, and the company > management structure is irrelevant. > > While I would have preferred to see a question that was open to any > presentation format, forbidding discussion of how to teach R just because > the query happens to limit itself to RStudio seems excessively narrow to me. > > I have been frustrated by the fact that there is no r-sig-windows, since I > find myself uncomfortably discussing OS-specific issues on R-help for which > there is no better place to forward them. Using the multi-OS RStudio for > teaching R seems rather less off-topic than that. > > On August 13, 2020 3:15:31 PM PDT, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> > wrote: > >Way off topic. Ask at RStudio. This is **R-Help** -- help on R > >programming. RStudio is a private company. > > > >Bert Gunter > > > >"The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along > >and > >sticking things into it." > >-- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > > > > >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jonathan Greenberg <jgreenberg at unr.edu> > >wrote: > > > >> Folks: > >> > >> I was wondering if you all would suggest some helpful RStudio > >> configurations that make recording a session via e.g. zoom the most > >useful > >> for students doing remote learning. Thoughts? > >> > >> --j > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan A. Greenberg, PhD > >> Randall Endowed Professor and Associate Professor of Remote Sensing > >> Global Environmental Analysis and Remote Sensing (GEARS) Laboratory > >> Natural Resources & Environmental Science > >> University of Nevada, Reno > >> 1664 N Virginia St MS/0186 > >> Reno, NV 89557 > >> Phone: 415-763-5476 > >> https://www.gearslab.org/ > >> > >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >> PLEASE do read the posting guide > >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >> > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > >______________________________________________ > >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >PLEASE do read the posting guide > >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > -- > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
perhaps. I wasn't aware of it. Given the level of traffic there it looks like I am not alone. On August 13, 2020 5:22:21 PM PDT, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote:>Well then: >"Using the multi-OS RStudio for teaching R seems rather less off-topic >than >that." > >If the query is about teaching r, wouldn't R-Sig-teaching be the right >place to post? > >Bert Gunter > >"The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >and >sticking things into it." >-- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 5:11 PM Jeff Newmiller ><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> >wrote: > >> The jab about a "private company" detracted from your point. It is a >> public benefit corporation, but either way they produce open source >> software that is frequently used to introduce people to R, and the >company >> management structure is irrelevant. >> >> While I would have preferred to see a question that was open to any >> presentation format, forbidding discussion of how to teach R just >because >> the query happens to limit itself to RStudio seems excessively narrow >to me. >> >> I have been frustrated by the fact that there is no r-sig-windows, >since I >> find myself uncomfortably discussing OS-specific issues on R-help for >which >> there is no better place to forward them. Using the multi-OS RStudio >for >> teaching R seems rather less off-topic than that. >> >> On August 13, 2020 3:15:31 PM PDT, Bert Gunter ><bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >Way off topic. Ask at RStudio. This is **R-Help** -- help on R >> >programming. RStudio is a private company. >> > >> >Bert Gunter >> > >> >"The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming >along >> >and >> >sticking things into it." >> >-- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >> > >> > >> >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jonathan Greenberg ><jgreenberg at unr.edu> >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Folks: >> >> >> >> I was wondering if you all would suggest some helpful RStudio >> >> configurations that make recording a session via e.g. zoom the >most >> >useful >> >> for students doing remote learning. Thoughts? >> >> >> >> --j >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jonathan A. Greenberg, PhD >> >> Randall Endowed Professor and Associate Professor of Remote >Sensing >> >> Global Environmental Analysis and Remote Sensing (GEARS) >Laboratory >> >> Natural Resources & Environmental Science >> >> University of Nevada, Reno >> >> 1664 N Virginia St MS/0186 >> >> Reno, NV 89557 >> >> Phone: 415-763-5476 >> >> https://www.gearslab.org/ >> >> >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> >> > >> > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> > >> >______________________________________________ >> >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> >PLEASE do read the posting guide >> >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> -- >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:> It is a public benefit corporationSeriously? On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:> used to introduce people to RCorrection, it introduces people to a modified version of R.
a) Read about it yourself. It is a legal definition. b) Don't "correct" me with misinformation you are clearly inventing. RStudio the software does not "introduce people to a modified version of R." Each user has to opt in to that "modified" experience by explicitly installing each of the the many CRAN packages that various employees of RStudio have created and all of which can (to my knowledge) be used without installing the RStudio IDE at all. Yes, a bunch of them can be grabbed at once by installing the tidyverse package, but that is also a choice made by users and by instructors struggling to deal with students who have a hard time with Excel much less functional programming. But RStudio is an R IDE. There are a lot of packages sponsored by RStudio that I find redundant and slow, but portraying the RStudio company or the IDE as inherently "not R" just because newbies like the IDE and the packages they sponsor, and who end up confusing R with RStudio even though they have to install both, is small-minded and biased. On August 15, 2020 9:10:34 PM PDT, Abby Spurdle <spurdle.a at gmail.com> wrote:>On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller ><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: >> It is a public benefit corporation > >Seriously? > >On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM Jeff Newmiller ><jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: >> used to introduce people to R > >Correction, it introduces people to a modified version of R.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.