Hi Jeff, The suggested language looks like it is shifting to some stricter programming idioms such as defining object's data structure. this video was shoot in 2017 so I'm not sure if these changes have been put on the back burier. AH ________________________________ From: Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018 3:13 PM To: r-help at r-project.org; Angus C Hewitt (DHHS) Cc: angus_hewitt at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [R] Proposed changes to the R Language I have no idea. But I hope not... that sounds like a different tool than R, just as C++ is a different tool than C. On December 27, 2018 4:36:42 PM PST, "Angus C Hewitt (DHHS)" <Angus.Hewitt at dhhs.vic.gov.au> wrote:>Hi Team, > >Please advise if there are any plans in the pipeline for change the R >language to "B" as proposed in the below mentioned statistical series >help at Auckland Uni. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88TftllIjaY > > >Kind Regards, > >Angus Hewitt >Senior Analyst | Decision Support >System Design, Planning & Decision Making | Health & Well Being >Department of Health and Human Services | 19th floor, 50 Lonsdale >Street, Melbourne Victoria 3000 >t. 9096 5859 | m. 0468 364 744 | e. Angus.Hewitt at dhhs.vic.gov.au > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >______________________________________________ >R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >PLEASE do read the posting guide >http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
I don't think you can assume that any of this _research_ was ever on any R-core burner at all. But as Bert said, this would not be where such discussion occurred if it was... go to r-devel to find out, or better yet contact the researchers themselves. On December 29, 2018 9:53:01 PM PST, angus hewitt <angus_hewitt at hotmail.com> wrote:>Hi Jeff, > >The suggested language looks like it is shifting to some stricter >programming idioms such as defining object's data structure. this video >was shoot in 2017 so I'm not sure if these changes have been put on the >back burier. > >AH >________________________________ >From: Jeff Newmiller <jdnewmil at dcn.davis.ca.us> >Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018 3:13 PM >To: r-help at r-project.org; Angus C Hewitt (DHHS) >Cc: angus_hewitt at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [R] Proposed changes to the R Language > >I have no idea. But I hope not... that sounds like a different tool >than R, just as C++ is a different tool than C. > >On December 27, 2018 4:36:42 PM PST, "Angus C Hewitt (DHHS)" ><Angus.Hewitt at dhhs.vic.gov.au> wrote: >>Hi Team, >> >>Please advise if there are any plans in the pipeline for change the R >>language to "B" as proposed in the below mentioned statistical series >>help at Auckland Uni. >> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88TftllIjaY >> >> >>Kind Regards, >> >>Angus Hewitt >>Senior Analyst | Decision Support >>System Design, Planning & Decision Making | Health & Well Being >>Department of Health and Human Services | 19th floor, 50 Lonsdale >>Street, Melbourne Victoria 3000 >>t. 9096 5859 | m. 0468 364 744 | e. Angus.Hewitt at dhhs.vic.gov.au >> >> >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >>______________________________________________ >>R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>PLEASE do read the posting guide >>http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >-- >Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.-- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity.
My friend Morven Gentleman who died recently was for some time chair of the
computer
faculty at Waterloo and (Fortune nomination!) once said "The response of
many computer
scientists to any problem is to invent a new programming language."
Looking at Ross Ihaka's video, I got the impression he wants to preserve R
syntax as
much as possible while improving speed and predictability. His example
x=10
f=function(){
if (runif(1) > .5) x=20
x
}
where the local/global status of x is unclear underlines just one issue.
The temptation with programming languages is to allow them to expand. That makes
it very much more expensive and difficult to preserve the package ecosystem in a
healthy and verifiable state. A robust dialog between users and language
developers is, I believe, the best way to move to a streamlining of R. If -- and
that is the big question -- Ross' ideas are workable to provide a simplified
R (whatever we call it) that allows a high proportion of existing codes to run
satisfactorily or with minimal/automated changes, the R community would benefit.
John Nash