Are you sure this is trivial? I have the impression the combination of an ill-posed problem and digital representation of numbers might just create the illusion that is so. B.> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Then it's trivial. Check values at the discontinuities and find the > first where it's <0 at the left discontinuity and >0 at the right, if > such exists. Then just use zero finding on that interval (or fit a > line if everything's linear). If none exists, then just find the first > discontinuity where it's > 0. > > Cheers, > Bert > > > Bert Gunter > > "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along > and sticking things into it." > -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 5:38 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Burt, >> Yes, the function is monotone increasing and points of discontinuity are >> all known. >> They are all numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks very much! >> Hanna >> >> >> 2017-04-09 16:55 GMT-04:00 Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com>: >>> >>> Details matter! >>> >>> 1. Are the points of discontinuity known? This is critical. >>> >>> 2. Can we assume monotonic increasing, as is shown? >>> >>> >>> -- Bert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bert Gunter >>> >>> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >>> and sticking things into it." >>> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:28 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> For a piecewise function F similar to the attached graph, I would like >>>> to >>>> find >>>> inf{x| F(x) >=0}. >>>> >>>> >>>> I tried to uniroot. It does not seem to work. Any suggestions? >>>> Thank you very much!! >>>> Hanna >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
On 10/04/17 20:57, Boris Steipe wrote:> Are you sure this is trivial? I have the impression the combination > of an ill-posed problem and digital representation of numbers might > just create the illusion that is so.Fortune nomination. cheers, Rolf -- Technical Editor ANZJS Department of Statistics University of Auckland Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276
Given what she said, how does the procedure I suggested fail? (Always happy to be corrected). -- Bert Bert Gunter "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along and sticking things into it." -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> wrote:> Are you sure this is trivial? I have the impression the combination of an ill-posed problem and digital representation of numbers might just create the illusion that is so. > > B. > > > > >> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Then it's trivial. Check values at the discontinuities and find the >> first where it's <0 at the left discontinuity and >0 at the right, if >> such exists. Then just use zero finding on that interval (or fit a >> line if everything's linear). If none exists, then just find the first >> discontinuity where it's > 0. >> >> Cheers, >> Bert >> >> >> Bert Gunter >> >> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >> and sticking things into it." >> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 5:38 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Burt, >>> Yes, the function is monotone increasing and points of discontinuity are >>> all known. >>> They are all numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks very much! >>> Hanna >>> >>> >>> 2017-04-09 16:55 GMT-04:00 Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Details matter! >>>> >>>> 1. Are the points of discontinuity known? This is critical. >>>> >>>> 2. Can we assume monotonic increasing, as is shown? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Bert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bert Gunter >>>> >>>> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >>>> and sticking things into it." >>>> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:28 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> For a piecewise function F similar to the attached graph, I would like >>>>> to >>>>> find >>>>> inf{x| F(x) >=0}. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I tried to uniroot. It does not seem to work. Any suggestions? >>>>> Thank you very much!! >>>>> Hanna >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >
Well - the _procedure_ will give a result. But think of f(x) = {-1; x <= 1/3 and 1; x > 1/3 What should inf{x| F(x) >= 0} be? What should the procedure return?> On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Given what she said, how does the procedure I suggested fail? > > (Always happy to be corrected). > > -- Bert > Bert Gunter > > "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along > and sticking things into it." > -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca> wrote: >> Are you sure this is trivial? I have the impression the combination of an ill-posed problem and digital representation of numbers might just create the illusion that is so. >> >> B. >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Then it's trivial. Check values at the discontinuities and find the >>> first where it's <0 at the left discontinuity and >0 at the right, if >>> such exists. Then just use zero finding on that interval (or fit a >>> line if everything's linear). If none exists, then just find the first >>> discontinuity where it's > 0. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bert >>> >>> >>> Bert Gunter >>> >>> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >>> and sticking things into it." >>> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 5:38 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Burt, >>>> Yes, the function is monotone increasing and points of discontinuity are >>>> all known. >>>> They are all numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks very much! >>>> Hanna >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-04-09 16:55 GMT-04:00 Bert Gunter <bgunter.4567 at gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Details matter! >>>>> >>>>> 1. Are the points of discontinuity known? This is critical. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Can we assume monotonic increasing, as is shown? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Bert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bert Gunter >>>>> >>>>> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >>>>> and sticking things into it." >>>>> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:28 PM, li li <hannah.hlx at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> For a piecewise function F similar to the attached graph, I would like >>>>>> to >>>>>> find >>>>>> inf{x| F(x) >=0}. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried to uniroot. It does not seem to work. Any suggestions? >>>>>> Thank you very much!! >>>>>> Hanna >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>>>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >>