On 15/03/2017 16:57, Bert Gunter wrote:> Perhaps this has been asked and settled before, but while such courses > certainly might be of interest to those who read this list,Bert,> they are > for profit, and therefore advertising them here does seem somewhat > inappropriate.I don't want to be rude or funny, but the general guidelines for this mailing list state "Do your homework before posting". There is nowhere a statement on the general guidelines that state that you cannot make an announcement for a course (which by the way, introduces R to people who never have used R before)....be it for profit or not. And even if it would have such a statement, I don't think that a 'once per quarter' email about an R course does much harm. Apologies to everyone else for filling up your mailbox. Bert....if you would like to discuss this further then please email me directly and I will send a summary to the list later. Kind regards, Alain> Please, I don't want to start a long discussion or war. Just slap me > down if I am wrong about this. > > Cheers, > Bert > > > Bert Gunter > > "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along > and sticking things into it." > -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Highland Statistics Ltd > <highstat at highstat.com> wrote: >> There are a few remaining seats on the following course: >> >> >> >> Course: Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with R >> >> Where: HCMR, Crete, Greece >> >> When: 24-28 April 2017 >> >> Course website: http://www.highstat.com/statscourse.htm >> >> Course flyer: http://highstat.com/Courses/Flyers/Flyer2017_04Crete_RGG.pdf >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alain Zuur >> >> >> Other open courses in 2017: >> >> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal Correlation. >> 8-12 May 2017. Genoa, Italy. >> Linear Mixed Effects Models and GLMM with R. Frequentist and Bayesian >> approaches. 9-13 October 2017. Trondheim, Norway. >> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal Correlation. >> 23-27 October 2017. Southampton, UK >> Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with introduction to R. 18-22 >> September 2017. Edmonton, Canada. >> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal Correlation. 4-8 >> December 2017. Banff, Canada. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Alain F. Zuur >> >> First author of: >> 1. Beginner's Guide to GAMM with R (2014). >> 2. Beginner's Guide to GLM and GLMM with R (2013). >> 3. Beginner's Guide to GAM with R (2012). >> 4. Zero Inflated Models and GLMM with R (2012). >> 5. A Beginner's Guide to R (2009). >> 6. Mixed effects models and extensions in ecology with R (2009). >> 7. Analysing Ecological Data (2007). >> >> Highland Statistics Ltd. >> 9 St Clair Wynd >> UK - AB41 6DZ Newburgh >> Tel: 0044 1358 788177 >> Email: highstat at highstat.com >> URL: www.highstat.com >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.-- Dr. Alain F. Zuur First author of: 1. Beginner's Guide to GAMM with R (2014). 2. Beginner's Guide to GLM and GLMM with R (2013). 3. Beginner's Guide to GAM with R (2012). 4. Zero Inflated Models and GLMM with R (2012). 5. A Beginner's Guide to R (2009). 6. Mixed effects models and extensions in ecology with R (2009). 7. Analysing Ecological Data (2007). Highland Statistics Ltd. 9 St Clair Wynd UK - AB41 6DZ Newburgh Tel: 0044 1358 788177 Email: highstat at highstat.com URL: www.highstat.com
Well since you mention it the mailing list page says The ?main? R mailing list, for discussion about problems and solutions using R, announcements (not covered by ?R-announce? or ?R-packages?, see above), about the availability of new functionality for R and documentation of R, comparison and compatibility with S-plus, and for the posting of nice examples and benchmarks. Which suggests to me that announcements of courses are not covered by the terms and conditions. On 15/03/2017 16:09, Highland Statistics Ltd wrote:> > On 15/03/2017 16:57, Bert Gunter wrote: >> Perhaps this has been asked and settled before, but while such courses >> certainly might be of interest to those who read this list, > Bert, >> they are >> for profit, and therefore advertising them here does seem somewhat >> inappropriate. > I don't want to be rude or funny, but the general guidelines for this > mailing list state "Do your homework before posting". There is nowhere a > statement on the general guidelines that state that you cannot make an > announcement for a course (which by the way, introduces R to people who > never have used R before)....be it for profit or not. And even if it > would have such a statement, I don't think that a 'once per quarter' > email about an R course does much harm. > > Apologies to everyone else for filling up your mailbox. Bert....if you > would like to discuss this further then please email me directly and I > will send a summary to the list later. > > Kind regards, > > Alain > >> Please, I don't want to start a long discussion or war. Just slap me >> down if I am wrong about this. >> >> Cheers, >> Bert >> >> >> Bert Gunter >> >> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >> and sticking things into it." >> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Highland Statistics Ltd >> <highstat at highstat.com> wrote: >>> There are a few remaining seats on the following course: >>> >>> >>> >>> Course: Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with R >>> >>> Where: HCMR, Crete, Greece >>> >>> When: 24-28 April 2017 >>> >>> Course website: http://www.highstat.com/statscourse.htm >>> >>> Course flyer: >>> http://highstat.com/Courses/Flyers/Flyer2017_04Crete_RGG.pdf >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Alain Zuur >>> >>> >>> Other open courses in 2017: >>> >>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal Correlation. >>> 8-12 May 2017. Genoa, Italy. >>> Linear Mixed Effects Models and GLMM with R. Frequentist and Bayesian >>> approaches. 9-13 October 2017. Trondheim, Norway. >>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal Correlation. >>> 23-27 October 2017. Southampton, UK >>> Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with introduction to R. 18-22 >>> September 2017. Edmonton, Canada. >>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal >>> Correlation. 4-8 >>> December 2017. Banff, Canada. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Alain F. Zuur >>> >>> First author of: >>> 1. Beginner's Guide to GAMM with R (2014). >>> 2. Beginner's Guide to GLM and GLMM with R (2013). >>> 3. Beginner's Guide to GAM with R (2012). >>> 4. Zero Inflated Models and GLMM with R (2012). >>> 5. A Beginner's Guide to R (2009). >>> 6. Mixed effects models and extensions in ecology with R (2009). >>> 7. Analysing Ecological Data (2007). >>> >>> Highland Statistics Ltd. >>> 9 St Clair Wynd >>> UK - AB41 6DZ Newburgh >>> Tel: 0044 1358 788177 >>> Email: highstat at highstat.com >>> URL: www.highstat.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >-- Michael http://www.dewey.myzen.co.uk/home.html
> Well since you mention it the mailing list page says > > The ?main? R mailing list, for discussion about problems and solutions > using R, announcements (not covered by ?R-announce? or ?R-packages?, > see above), about the availability of new functionality for R and > documentation of R, comparison and compatibility with S-plus, and for > the posting of nice examples and benchmarks. > > Which suggests to me that announcements of courses are not covered by > the terms and conditions.I see a comma after the word 'announcement'. So..please clarify how an 'announcement of courses' does not fall under 'announcement'. The text describing the use of the mailing list wasn't written with "the expression of one thing is the exclusion of the other " in mind. There is a Latin expression for that. For example, the word 'primarily" in the sentence "The R mailing lists are primarily intended for questions and discussion about the R software." doesn't mean that it cannot me used for a course announcement. Would it have said "exclusively" then it is a different story. Expressio Unius Est Exclusio Alterius ...... Anyway.......let's not waste more time on this. Alain> > On 15/03/2017 16:09, Highland Statistics Ltd wrote: >> >> On 15/03/2017 16:57, Bert Gunter wrote: >>> Perhaps this has been asked and settled before, but while such courses >>> certainly might be of interest to those who read this list, >> Bert, >>> they are >>> for profit, and therefore advertising them here does seem somewhat >>> inappropriate. >> I don't want to be rude or funny, but the general guidelines for this >> mailing list state "Do your homework before posting". There is nowhere a >> statement on the general guidelines that state that you cannot make an >> announcement for a course (which by the way, introduces R to people who >> never have used R before)....be it for profit or not. And even if it >> would have such a statement, I don't think that a 'once per quarter' >> email about an R course does much harm. >> >> Apologies to everyone else for filling up your mailbox. Bert....if you >> would like to discuss this further then please email me directly and I >> will send a summary to the list later. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alain >> >>> Please, I don't want to start a long discussion or war. Just slap me >>> down if I am wrong about this. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bert >>> >>> >>> Bert Gunter >>> >>> "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along >>> and sticking things into it." >>> -- Opus (aka Berkeley Breathed in his "Bloom County" comic strip ) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Highland Statistics Ltd >>> <highstat at highstat.com> wrote: >>>> There are a few remaining seats on the following course: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Course: Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with R >>>> >>>> Where: HCMR, Crete, Greece >>>> >>>> When: 24-28 April 2017 >>>> >>>> Course website: http://www.highstat.com/statscourse.htm >>>> >>>> Course flyer: >>>> http://highstat.com/Courses/Flyers/Flyer2017_04Crete_RGG.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Alain Zuur >>>> >>>> >>>> Other open courses in 2017: >>>> >>>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal >>>> Correlation. >>>> 8-12 May 2017. Genoa, Italy. >>>> Linear Mixed Effects Models and GLMM with R. Frequentist and Bayesian >>>> approaches. 9-13 October 2017. Trondheim, Norway. >>>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal >>>> Correlation. >>>> 23-27 October 2017. Southampton, UK >>>> Data exploration, regression, GLM & GAM with introduction to R. 18-22 >>>> September 2017. Edmonton, Canada. >>>> Introduction to Regression Models with Spatial and Temporal >>>> Correlation. 4-8 >>>> December 2017. Banff, Canada. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Alain F. Zuur >>>> >>>> First author of: >>>> 1. Beginner's Guide to GAMM with R (2014). >>>> 2. Beginner's Guide to GLM and GLMM with R (2013). >>>> 3. Beginner's Guide to GAM with R (2012). >>>> 4. Zero Inflated Models and GLMM with R (2012). >>>> 5. A Beginner's Guide to R (2009). >>>> 6. Mixed effects models and extensions in ecology with R (2009). >>>> 7. Analysing Ecological Data (2007). >>>> >>>> Highland Statistics Ltd. >>>> 9 St Clair Wynd >>>> UK - AB41 6DZ Newburgh >>>> Tel: 0044 1358 788177 >>>> Email: highstat at highstat.com >>>> URL: www.highstat.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>>> PLEASE do read the posting guide >>>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >-- Dr. Alain F. Zuur First author of: 1. Beginner's Guide to GAMM with R (2014). 2. Beginner's Guide to GLM and GLMM with R (2013). 3. Beginner's Guide to GAM with R (2012). 4. Zero Inflated Models and GLMM with R (2012). 5. A Beginner's Guide to R (2009). 6. Mixed effects models and extensions in ecology with R (2009). 7. Analysing Ecological Data (2007). Highland Statistics Ltd. 9 St Clair Wynd UK - AB41 6DZ Newburgh Tel: 0044 1358 788177 Email: highstat at highstat.com URL: www.highstat.com