> On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Rolf Turner <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > > > > Quite a while ago I went to talk (I think it may have been at an NZSA conference) given by the great Ross Ihaka. I forget the details but my vague recollection was that it involved a technique for automatic choice of some sort of smoothing parameter involved in a graphical display.Identifying discontinuities: https://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~ihaka/downloads/Curves.pdf http://www.google.com/patents/US6704013 TI can now own analytic geometry if they file enough patents. -- David.> Apparently Ross's ideas related peripherally to some patented technique owned by Texas Instruments, and TI was causing problems for Ross. He seemed to be of the opinion that the TPP would make matters worse. > > I suspect he's right. It will make matters worse for everyone except the rich bastards in the multinationals, in all respects. > > cheers, > > Rolf > > -- > Technical Editor ANZJS > Department of Statistics > University of Auckland > Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 > > On 05/02/16 11:33, Marc Schwartz wrote: >> Ted and Jos?, >> >> The FSF has a blog post here that might provide some insights: >> >> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/time-to-act-on-tpp-is-now-rallies-against-tpp-in-washington-d-c-november-14-18 >> >> That is from last November, but the relevant passage, perhaps in a temporal vacuum, seems to be the second paragraph with the following sentences focused on the GPL: >> >> "The regulation would not affect freely licensed software, such as software under the GPL, that already comes with its own conditions ensuring users receive source code. Such licenses are grants of permission from the copyright holders on the work, who are not a "Party" to TPP." >> >> >> The Software Freedom Conservancy has a post on this as well, from the same time frame: >> >> https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2015/nov/09/gpl-tpp/ >> >> Regards, >> >> Marc >> >> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> wrote: >>> >>> Saludos Jos?! >>> Could you please give a summary of the relevant parts of TPP >>> that might affect the use of R? I have looked up TPP on Wikipedia >>> without beginning to understand what it might imply for the use of R. >>> Best wishes, >>> Ted. >>> >>> On 04-Feb-2016 14:43:29 Jos?? Bustos wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I have a question regarding the use R software under the new TPP laws >>>> adopted by some governments in the region. Who know how this new agreements >>>> will affect researchers and the R community? >>>> >>>> Hope some of you knows better and can give ideas about it. >>>> >>>> saludos, >>>> Jos?? > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.David Winsemius Alameda, CA, USA
On 2/4/2016 6:59 PM, David Winsemius wrote:>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Rolf Turner <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >> Quite a while ago I went to talk (I think it may have been at an NZSA conference) given by the great Ross Ihaka. I forget the details but my vague recollection was that it involved a technique for automatic choice of some sort of smoothing parameter involved in a graphical display. > Identifying discontinuities: > > https://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~ihaka/downloads/Curves.pdf > > http://www.google.com/patents/US6704013 > > TI can now own analytic geometry if they file enough patents.And TI could therefore under TPP demand that any Internet Service Provider remove any R content (or R generated content) that they claimed (correctly or otherwise) infringed on their intellectual property, without a court order, and with common citizens having only slightly more ability to seek redress than the British peasants had when their nobility got King John of England to sign the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215? And, of course, this is only one concrete example. More relevant, TPP might prohibit any government from promoting the use of open-source software, because it could deprive a for-profit company of income, and they could therefore sue for lost profit under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement Settlement (ISDS) provisions of the TPP or other "free trade" agreements like NAFTA. This is hardly far fetched: Last Dec. 21, the U.S. Congress decided that consumers in the U.S. did not have the right to know the origins of the meat they buy under NAFTA (Scott Smith, "Congress repeals country of origin labeling for meat", United Press International, Dec. 21, 2015 at 10:12 AM, http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/12/21/Congress-repeals-country-of-origin-labeling-for-meat/3241450709277/). Spencer Graves
Folks TPP, and in a European context, TTIP are very dangerous not only to open source software but to any public service and no satisfactory response has been forthcoming. There are ways of circumventing it I guess or opposing it (maybe using ISPs in China, Russia or North Korea???). The issue really should be reversed - how muchy open source coding has found its way into closed source software? We do not know because proprietory coding is secret, and hence insecure. Perhaps a court could rule that all software should be available for inspection by independent experts. This possibility may be sufficient to shut TI etc up. But this seems to have been put together in total secrecy and undermines pretty nearly every 'freedom' people have fought for since at least King John and probably others (not that English peasants enjoyed too much freedom after 1215 as it was the barons who got it all!) I really do not understand why legislators have done this unless corruption has become so pervasive that there are no longer any good guys and girls around (well, maybe Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn excepted but their chance of power is pretty slim at the moment despite Iowa). In the UK we have a referendum on EU membership which under ordinary circumstances I would automatically support as very much a pro-Europe person. But if TTIP is implemented, I don't know which way to vote. Of course it is a total sham anyway, so maybe a bloody nose for the legislators would not be a bad idea. And looking at the way the EU has treated Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Portugal, I don't hold out much hope for an epiphany. Anyway this is a bit OT. :)> > > On 2/4/2016 6:59 PM, David Winsemius wrote: >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Rolf Turner <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Quite a while ago I went to talk (I think it may have been at an NZSA >>> conference) given by the great Ross Ihaka. I forget the details but my >>> vague recollection was that it involved a technique for automatic >>> choice of some sort of smoothing parameter involved in a graphical >>> display. >> Identifying discontinuities: >> >> https://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~ihaka/downloads/Curves.pdf >> >> http://www.google.com/patents/US6704013 >> >> TI can now own analytic geometry if they file enough patents. > > And TI could therefore under TPP demand that any Internet Service > Provider remove any R content (or R generated content) that they claimed > (correctly or otherwise) infringed on their intellectual property, > without a court order, and with common citizens having only slightly > more ability to seek redress than the British peasants had when their > nobility got King John of England to sign the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215? > > > And, of course, this is only one concrete example. > > > More relevant, TPP might prohibit any government from promoting > the use of open-source software, because it could deprive a for-profit > company of income, and they could therefore sue for lost profit under > the Investor-State Dispute Settlement Settlement (ISDS) provisions of > the TPP or other "free trade" agreements like NAFTA. This is hardly far > fetched: Last Dec. 21, the U.S. Congress decided that consumers in the > U.S. did not have the right to know the origins of the meat they buy > under NAFTA (Scott Smith, "Congress repeals country of origin labeling > for meat", United Press International, Dec. 21, 2015 at 10:12 AM, > http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/12/21/Congress-repeals-country-of-origin-labeling-for-meat/3241450709277/). > > > > Spencer Graves > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >Best wishes John John Logsdon Quantex Research Ltd +44 161 445 4951/+44 7717758675
Thank everyone, I have found some good, but limited infomation about it. As Ross Ihaka mention in his presentation: "Houston, We Have a Problem". The R software is a important part of the Free Software Fundation, they have been fighting back TPP long time, but last weeks in Chile was not so good. Some chilean politician (as Minister of the Interior and Public Security Jorge Burgos) are impulsing the TPP to be signed as soon as possible. On the other side, some smart representatives have been trying to stop the fast track. It is a very big issue, there will be a ton of more limitations like Ross Ihaka had mentioned. Please get informed about the impacts and send emails to yours representatives in congress to NOT aprove what we all don't know. Here some articles to read: http://www.ip-watch.org/2015/11/24/tpp-article-14-17-free-software-no-harm-no-foul/ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/latest-tpp-leak-shows-systemic-threat-to-software-freedom Keep talking about hte impacts and limitations of this agreement. Jose 2016-02-04 21:59 GMT-03:00 David Winsemius <dwinsemius at comcast.net>:> > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Rolf Turner <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > Quite a while ago I went to talk (I think it may have been at an NZSA > conference) given by the great Ross Ihaka. I forget the details but my > vague recollection was that it involved a technique for automatic choice of > some sort of smoothing parameter involved in a graphical display. > > Identifying discontinuities: > > https://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~ihaka/downloads/Curves.pdf > > http://www.google.com/patents/US6704013 > > TI can now own analytic geometry if they file enough patents. > > -- > David. > > Apparently Ross's ideas related peripherally to some patented technique > owned by Texas Instruments, and TI was causing problems for Ross. He > seemed to be of the opinion that the TPP would make matters worse. > > > > I suspect he's right. It will make matters worse for everyone except > the rich bastards in the multinationals, in all respects. > > > > cheers, > > > > Rolf > > > > -- > > Technical Editor ANZJS > > Department of Statistics > > University of Auckland > > Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 > > > > On 05/02/16 11:33, Marc Schwartz wrote: > >> Ted and Jos?, > >> > >> The FSF has a blog post here that might provide some insights: > >> > >> > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/time-to-act-on-tpp-is-now-rallies-against-tpp-in-washington-d-c-november-14-18 > >> > >> That is from last November, but the relevant passage, perhaps in a > temporal vacuum, seems to be the second paragraph with the following > sentences focused on the GPL: > >> > >> "The regulation would not affect freely licensed software, such as > software under the GPL, that already comes with its own conditions ensuring > users receive source code. Such licenses are grants of permission from the > copyright holders on the work, who are not a "Party" to TPP." > >> > >> > >> The Software Freedom Conservancy has a post on this as well, from the > same time frame: > >> > >> https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2015/nov/09/gpl-tpp/ > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Marc > >> > >> > >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at wlandres.net> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Saludos Jos?! > >>> Could you please give a summary of the relevant parts of TPP > >>> that might affect the use of R? I have looked up TPP on Wikipedia > >>> without beginning to understand what it might imply for the use of R. > >>> Best wishes, > >>> Ted. > >>> > >>> On 04-Feb-2016 14:43:29 Jos?? Bustos wrote: > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> > >>>> I have a question regarding the use R software under the new TPP laws > >>>> adopted by some governments in the region. Who know how this new > agreements > >>>> will affect researchers and the R community? > >>>> > >>>> Hope some of you knows better and can give ideas about it. > >>>> > >>>> saludos, > >>>> Jos?? > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help at r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > David Winsemius > Alameda, CA, USA > >-- Jos? Bustos Director AESPRO Mag?ster en Estad?stica Aplicada Movil +56 995939144 www.aespro.cl ------------------------------ Este mensaje y/o documento adjunto est? dirigido exclusivamente al destinatario especificado y puede contener informaci?n confidencial, privilegiada o de divulgaci?n restringida. Cualquier revelaci?n, copia, distribuci?n o acci?n que comprometa el contenido de esta informaci?n est? prohibida. Si usted recibe este correo por error, contacte al emisor y borre la informaci?n de su computador. [[alternative HTML version deleted]]