Hello, I have a question about setting up a multi-level model in NLME. I have the P&B book, but I am still having trouble specifying the model. I am using the most recent version of NLME on R 1.3.0. I was referred to NLME after a previous query on multi-level models. Yet, I think part of my confusion is that I do not have a mixed model as far as I can see. I have random effects nested within levels of a random effect? The problem is this: I have a sample of classes (class being the nesting factor). Within each class I have a sample of students. I have separate random effects models at each level. That is, at the class level, I have: random=~class_size+number_teachers+class_length and at the student level I have: test_score~treatment+experience+age. What I want o assess is the contribution of class level variables simultaneously with individual level variables on test scores. Now, my problem is specifying them both as a random effect. I tried to use: random=list(class=~class_size+number_teachers+class_length, =~treatment+experience+age) But NLME did not like the second argument, no surprise, I really didn't expect it too as random=list is used for multiple grouping factors. Yet, I can't figure out how to specify this. Can someone offer me some advice on how to fit this model. Thank You. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._