Dear list, I ran a mixed effect model using R 1.4.1 and SAS 8.0 on the SIMS data found in the SASmixed package and found that the degrees of freedoms for fixed effects are very different. From R, df = n - v -1 where n is total # of observations, v is the # of levels for the grouping factor. From SAS df = v -1. Am I wrong about this or can somebody explain which is correct and why? Thanks a lot! Kaiya Liu ------------------------------------- Here are the codes: For R: > formula (SIMS) Gain ~ Pretot | Class > data(SIMS) > fm1SIMS <- lme(Gain ~ Pretot, data = SIMS, random = ~ Pretot | Class, control = list(msVerbose = TRUE)) > summary (fm1SIMS) _________________________________ For SAS: proc mixed data=sims; class class; model gain = pretot / solution; random intercept pretot / subject=class type=un; run; Most of the results are comparable except the degrees of freedoms for the fixed effects: From R: DF = 3500 Fixed effects: Gain ~ Pretot Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value (Intercept) 7.066218 0.3631916 3500 19.45589 <.0001 Pretot -0.187538 0.0163680 3500 -11.45756 <.0001 Number of Observations: 3691 Number of Groups: 190 __________________________________________________________ From SAS: DF = 189 Solution for Fixed Effects Standard Effect Estimate Error DF t Value Pr > |t| Intercept 7.0595 0.3658 189 19.30 <.0001 pretot -0.1860 0.01610 189 -11.56 <.0001 ----------------------------------------------------------- Kaiya Liu School of Journalism and Communication Ohio State University -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._