Duncan Murdoch
2022-May-15 21:48 UTC
[Rd] Writing in R // R 4.2.0 on Windows doesn't work with Dasher
On 15/05/2022 5:01 p.m., Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote:> It is interesting that Paulo reports Rgui to behave differently from > many (all?) other applications. However, I have no insight into Windows.It's not a big surprise. Rgui uses a UI library (Graphapp) that was written a very long time ago, and it hasn't adopted their updates in at least 15 years. Additionally, Rgui hasn't really had any Windows users giving it the attention it needs. And not nearly "all". RStudio has different problems, which means everyone using the same UI library they use probably has them too. I didn't see any open source projects in the list of things that work. Duncan Murdoch> > Best, > Kasper > > On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com > <mailto:murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 15/05/2022 2:44 p.m., Ben Bolker wrote: > >? ? ?I don't know if there's a good up-to-date list anywhere of > > editors/IDEs that handle R nicely, but it would include at least: > > > >? ? ?Atom > >? ? ?Sublime Text > >? ? ?VS Code > >? ? ?RStudio > >? ? ?Jupyter notebooks > >? ? ?vim > >? ? ?emacs > >? ? ?Tinn-R > > > >? ? ?It's worth being able to choose from such a list both for general > > aesthetic preferences, and for those with accessibility challenges. > > One more that I should have mentioned:? StatET, a plug-in for the > Eclipse IDE. > > > > >? ? I do agree that it would be nice if there were a way to make the R > > console work well with Dasher under Windows, but the technical > details > > are completely beyond me. > > A long time ago I used to know some of this stuff, but now I find > working in Windows quite difficult.? I never knew it well enough to > know > the advantages and disadvantages of the approach RGui uses versus the > one that dasher seems to be expecting. > > On the hopeful side, accessibility has always had a relatively high > priority in the R Project, and there seems to be a recent push in that > direction.? Perhaps there will be an opportunity for someone to > bring up > this issue at useR! 2022 (https://user2022.r-project.org > <https://user2022.r-project.org>). > > Duncan Murdoch > > ______________________________________________ > R-devel at r-project.org <mailto:R-devel at r-project.org> mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel> > > > > -- > Best, > Kasper
Ben Bolker
2022-May-15 21:55 UTC
[Rd] Writing in R // R 4.2.0 on Windows doesn't work with Dasher
VScode is sorta-kinda open source https://opensource.com/article/20/6/open-source-alternatives-vs-code (that is, the default downloadable binaries are non-freely licensed). Presumably the open builds also work. On the other hand, it's also developed by Microsoft, so it's not much of a surprise that it works better on Windows than some of the alternatives. On 2022-05-15 5:48 p.m., Duncan Murdoch wrote:> On 15/05/2022 5:01 p.m., Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote: >> It is interesting that Paulo reports Rgui to behave differently from >> many (all?) other applications. However, I have no insight into Windows. > > It's not a big surprise.? Rgui uses a UI library (Graphapp) that was > written a very long time ago, and it hasn't adopted their updates in at > least 15 years.? Additionally, Rgui hasn't really had any Windows users > giving it the attention it needs. > > And not nearly "all".? RStudio has different problems, which means > everyone using the same UI library they use probably has them too.? I > didn't see any open source projects in the list of things that work. > > Duncan Murdoch > >> >> Best, >> Kasper >> >> On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Duncan Murdoch >> <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com <mailto:murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> ??? On 15/05/2022 2:44 p.m., Ben Bolker wrote: >> ???? >? ? ?I don't know if there's a good up-to-date list anywhere of >> ???? > editors/IDEs that handle R nicely, but it would include at least: >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? ?Atom >> ???? >? ? ?Sublime Text >> ???? >? ? ?VS Code >> ???? >? ? ?RStudio >> ???? >? ? ?Jupyter notebooks >> ???? >? ? ?vim >> ???? >? ? ?emacs >> ???? >? ? ?Tinn-R >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? ?It's worth being able to choose from such a list both for >> general >> ???? > aesthetic preferences, and for those with accessibility >> challenges. >> >> ??? One more that I should have mentioned:? StatET, a plug-in for the >> ??? Eclipse IDE. >> >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? I do agree that it would be nice if there were a way to make >> the R >> ???? > console work well with Dasher under Windows, but the technical >> ??? details >> ???? > are completely beyond me. >> >> ??? A long time ago I used to know some of this stuff, but now I find >> ??? working in Windows quite difficult.? I never knew it well enough to >> ??? know >> ??? the advantages and disadvantages of the approach RGui uses versus the >> ??? one that dasher seems to be expecting. >> >> ??? On the hopeful side, accessibility has always had a relatively high >> ??? priority in the R Project, and there seems to be a recent push in >> that >> ??? direction.? Perhaps there will be an opportunity for someone to >> ??? bring up >> ??? this issue at useR! 2022 (https://user2022.r-project.org >> ??? <https://user2022.r-project.org>). >> >> ??? Duncan Murdoch >> >> ??? ______________________________________________ >> ??? R-devel at r-project.org <mailto:R-devel at r-project.org> mailing list >> ??? https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >> ??? <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best, >> Kasper >-- Dr. Benjamin Bolker Professor, Mathematics & Statistics and Biology, McMaster University Director, School of Computational Science and Engineering (Acting) Graduate chair, Mathematics & Statistics
Paulo Barata
2022-May-15 22:28 UTC
[Rd] Writing in R // R 4.2.0 on Windows doesn't work with Dasher
Mr. Murdoch, Two pieces of open source software that do work with Dasher 5.0.0 beta in Direct Entry mode, on Windows 10: --------- Apache Open Office 4.1.2 (32-bit Windows application) -- I tried the Open Office Writer, a Microsoft Word equivalent: https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/ Source code here: https://openoffice.apache.org/source.html --------- Notepad++ 8.4.1 (64-bit Windows application / text editor): https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/v8.4.1/ Source code here: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus --------- Best regards, Paulo Barata ---------------------------------------------------------- On 15/05/2022 18:48, Duncan Murdoch wrote:> On 15/05/2022 5:01 p.m., Kasper Daniel Hansen wrote: >> It is interesting that Paulo reports Rgui to behave differently from >> many (all?) other applications. However, I have no insight into Windows. > > It's not a big surprise.? Rgui uses a UI library (Graphapp) that was > written a very long time ago, and it hasn't adopted their updates in at > least 15 years.? Additionally, Rgui hasn't really had any Windows users > giving it the attention it needs. > > And not nearly "all".? RStudio has different problems, which means > everyone using the same UI library they use probably has them too.? I > didn't see any open source projects in the list of things that work. > > Duncan Murdoch > >> >> Best, >> Kasper >> >> On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Duncan Murdoch >> <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com <mailto:murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> ??? On 15/05/2022 2:44 p.m., Ben Bolker wrote: >> ???? >? ? ?I don't know if there's a good up-to-date list anywhere of >> ???? > editors/IDEs that handle R nicely, but it would include at least: >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? ?Atom >> ???? >? ? ?Sublime Text >> ???? >? ? ?VS Code >> ???? >? ? ?RStudio >> ???? >? ? ?Jupyter notebooks >> ???? >? ? ?vim >> ???? >? ? ?emacs >> ???? >? ? ?Tinn-R >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? ?It's worth being able to choose from such a list both for >> general >> ???? > aesthetic preferences, and for those with accessibility >> challenges. >> >> ??? One more that I should have mentioned:? StatET, a plug-in for the >> ??? Eclipse IDE. >> >> ???? > >> ???? >? ? I do agree that it would be nice if there were a way to make >> the R >> ???? > console work well with Dasher under Windows, but the technical >> ??? details >> ???? > are completely beyond me. >> >> ??? A long time ago I used to know some of this stuff, but now I find >> ??? working in Windows quite difficult.? I never knew it well enough to >> ??? know >> ??? the advantages and disadvantages of the approach RGui uses versus the >> ??? one that dasher seems to be expecting. >> >> ??? On the hopeful side, accessibility has always had a relatively high >> ??? priority in the R Project, and there seems to be a recent push in >> that >> ??? direction.? Perhaps there will be an opportunity for someone to >> ??? bring up >> ??? this issue at useR! 2022 (https://user2022.r-project.org >> ??? <https://user2022.r-project.org>). >> >> ??? Duncan Murdoch >> >> ??? ______________________________________________ >> ??? R-devel at r-project.org <mailto:R-devel at r-project.org> mailing list >> ??? https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >> ??? <https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best, >> Kasper > > ______________________________________________ > R-devel at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel