Puppet users - Sep 2013 - Is it possible to install actual OS using puppet?

Hi,
ideally I would like to crate bootable USB stick with, say, Ubuntu + Puppet 
on it. I would then use this USB stick on a blank computer to boot to it 
and install new OS (Ubuntu+WhateverIWant) on that blank computer. I know I 
can do WhateverIWant part, but can I install actual OS?

Thanks.

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Hi Rastio,
   I dont think that puppet do operating system installation. Puppet is 
configuration management tool, 
you can use puppet to configure any software and operating system settings 
after puppet get install on your machine.
For automatic installation of operating system there is tools called*kickstart,
cobler
*, etc.

Refer following blog link about puppet and operating system installation 
relation,
http://puppetlabs.com/blog/your-os-installer-and-you* *
*
*
Thanks and* *regards,
Rahul Khengare,
NTT DATA OSS Center, Pune, India.



On Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:08:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rastio Hodul
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> ideally I would like to crate bootable USB stick with, say, Ubuntu + 
> Puppet on it. I would then use this USB stick on a blank computer to boot 
> to it and install new OS (Ubuntu+WhateverIWant) on that blank computer. I 
> know I can do WhateverIWant part, but can I install actual OS?
>
> Thanks.
>
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One popular standard method is:

  + LDAP initial boot a box from Kickstart or equivalent deploying an
appropriate basic OS image
  + Ensure the post-image-install script includes a puppet agent package and
changes to let the box talk with a known puppet master
     and autostart the puppet agent at system boot
  + Write more and more and more Puppet patterns to customize the system for
given uses
     NFS server, Database server, Mail server, Compute Server, etc.
  + Ensure no "touch-the-cloud" ideas ever appear in non-Puppet form.
Nobody as superuser on boxes...

The point is to move more of the OS config and continuous drift-prevention into
puppet patterns which run 7x24 during
production  or permit manual-only operation with post-mortem data capture (lsof,
ps, top, sar, etc.) for security analysis,
logging all changes either way to an audit trail to find out why change is
happening, when, and to trace it down to root
cause (busy/corrupted fingers, security compromises, phase-of-moon, gamma-rays,
etc.)

Further, your "glove boxes" become puppet-applied patterns which must
go through a repository-sourced-and-dr''ed
dev/test/limited-prod/extended-prod.

Additionals?


On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Rahul Khengare <rahulk1306@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rastio,
>    I dont think that puppet do operating system installation. Puppet is
configuration management tool,
> you can use puppet to configure any software and operating system settings
after puppet get install on your machine.
> For automatic installation of operating system there is tools called
kickstart, cobler, etc.
> 
> Refer following blog link about puppet and operating system installation
relation,
> http://puppetlabs.com/blog/your-os-installer-and-you 
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Rahul Khengare,
> NTT DATA OSS Center, Pune, India.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:08:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rastio Hodul wrote:
> Hi,
> ideally I would like to crate bootable USB stick with, say, Ubuntu + Puppet
on it. I would then use this USB stick on a blank computer to boot to it and
install new OS (Ubuntu+WhateverIWant) on that blank computer. I know I can do
WhateverIWant part, but can I install actual OS?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Take a look at razor
https://puppetlabs.com/solutions/next-generation-provisioning
https://github.com/puppetlabs/razor
http://www.slideshare.net/PuppetLabs/puppetandrazor
http://www.slideshare.net/PuppetLabs/razor-puppet

Steven

Subject: Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Is it possible to install actual OS using
puppet?
From: smcracraft@me.com
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:36:50 -0700
To: puppet-users@googlegroups.com

One popular standard method is:
  + LDAP initial boot a box from Kickstart or equivalent deploying an
appropriate basic OS image  + Ensure the post-image-install script includes a
puppet agent package and changes to let the box talk with a known puppet master 
and autostart the puppet agent at system boot  + Write more and more and more
Puppet patterns to customize the system for given uses     NFS server, Database
server, Mail server, Compute Server, etc.  + Ensure no
"touch-the-cloud" ideas ever appear in non-Puppet form. Nobody as
superuser on boxes...
The point is to move more of the OS config and continuous drift-prevention into
puppet patterns which run 7x24 duringproduction  or permit manual-only operation
with post-mortem data capture (lsof, ps, top, sar, etc.) for security analysis,
logging all changes either way to an audit trail to find out why change is
happening, when, and to trace it down to root cause (busy/corrupted fingers,
security compromises, phase-of-moon, gamma-rays, etc.)
Further, your "glove boxes" become puppet-applied patterns which must
go through a
repository-sourced-and-dr''eddev/test/limited-prod/extended-prod.
Additionals?

On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Rahul Khengare <rahulk1306@gmail.com>
wrote:Hi Rastio,   I dont think that puppet do operating system installation.
Puppet is configuration management tool, you can use puppet to configure any
software and operating system settings after puppet get install on your
machine.For automatic installation of operating system there is tools called
kickstart, cobler, etc.
Refer following blog link about puppet and operating system installation
relation,http://puppetlabs.com/blog/your-os-installer-and-you
Thanks and regards,Rahul Khengare,NTT DATA OSS Center, Pune, India.


On Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:08:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rastio Hodul
wrote:Hi,ideally I would like to crate bootable USB stick with, say, Ubuntu +
Puppet on it. I would then use this USB stick on a blank computer to boot to it
and install new OS (Ubuntu+WhateverIWant) on that blank computer. I know I can
do WhateverIWant part, but can I install actual OS?
Thanks.

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Steven Nemetz <snemetz@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Take a look at razor
> https://puppetlabs.com/solutions/next-generation-provisioning
> https://github.com/puppetlabs/razor
> http://www.slideshare.net/PuppetLabs/puppetandrazor
> http://www.slideshare.net/PuppetLabs/razor-puppet
You should probably also be aware that Razor is currently being
rewritten to provide a more stable base for future work; we hope to
have that out soon™, but I can''t make promises about the schedule
there.  There are more details on why in the first message of this
thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/puppet-razor/q4uCVMmUop0

Razor is awesome, but I would caution that you should expect to roll
up your sleeves, pull on your developer hat, and at least be ready to
diagnose and report bugs -- if not fix them -- if you plan on using
it.

-- 
Daniel Pittman
⎋ Puppet Labs Developer – http://puppetlabs.com
♲ Made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons

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So I have done a full os install using baremetal on a seemingly harder platform-
windows.

https://github.com/rismoney/puppet-baremetal-windows

Now windows has a lot of nuances so it should be easier in theory to do
something similar starting from *nix.

In essence I use a linux pxe server to boot a live image of an os with puppet
installed, and then all the config is deployed to get endpoint to make it as
expected.  Based on a facter fact I know my host is in build mode or not.

Its awesome and a build takes 20 min with no razor, only pure puppet, as all
build config is backed in hiera.  Most of the repo is dedicated to
reproducability of the entire solution whereas the execution a puppet code is
relatively small to make the os how I want it.


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On Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:49:19 PM UTC-5, Rich Siegel
wrote:
>
> So I have done a full os install using baremetal on a seemingly harder 
> platform- windows.
>
> https://github.com/rismoney/puppet-baremetal-windows
>
> Now windows has a lot of nuances so it should be easier in theory to do 
> something similar starting from *nix.
>
> In essence I use a linux pxe server to boot a live image of an os with 
> puppet installed, and then all the config is deployed to get endpoint to 
> make it as expected.  Based on a facter fact I know my host is in build 
> mode or not.
>
> Its awesome and a build takes 20 min with no razor, only pure puppet, as 
> all build config is backed in hiera.  Most of the repo is dedicated to 
> reproducability of the entire solution whereas the execution a puppet code 
> is relatively small to make the os how I want it.
>
>
>
Is it not true, though, that the Puppet code by which you achieve the OS 
installation is totally different from what you would use to maintain any 
part of the installed system post installation, via a client running on 
it?  Most built-in Puppet resource types are designed to manage resources 
belonging to the host OS, which during OS installation would be the PXE 
image.

I''m glad that what you have works well for you, but I''m not
seeing where
Puppet is bringing a big advantage to the OS install part.  I''m
imagining
that it must involve primarily a bunch of Execs, and if that''s true
then I
wonder whether it would be as easy or easier to use ordinary scripts 
installed locally on the PXE image to do the work instead.  Or any of the 
various provisioning tools that are specifically designed for this sort of 
work.  Can you help me out here?


John

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> the Puppet code by which you achieve the OS installation is totally
different from what you would use to maintain any part of the installed system
post installation, via a client running on it?
Yes but within our gitrepo, using the same tooling and contributions via the
same workflow and peer review.  This provides transparency and you can in a
matter of minutes see how the system is built.  Using other things like altiris,
systemctr, standalone scripts,
Or wds doesn''t allow a true source of truth at this time.


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On Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:38:31 AM UTC-5, Rich Siegel
wrote:
>
> > the Puppet code by which you achieve the OS installation is totally 
> different from what you would use to maintain any part of the installed 
> system post installation, via a client running on it?  
>
> Yes but within our gitrepo, using the same tooling and contributions via 
> the same workflow and peer review.  This provides transparency and you can 
> in a matter of minutes see how the system is built.  Using other things 
> like altiris, systemctr, standalone scripts,  
> Or wds doesn''t allow a true source of truth at this time.
>
>
>
Fair enough.  I just wanted to point out that the system you described 
might be very different in form and nature from what the OP (thought he) 
was asking about.


Best,

John

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Hi everybody,
thanks for all your responses. Sorry for coming back this late, I was out 
of commission for a while...

At the end I am going with the solution described here 
http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/tutorials/unattended-ubuntu-installations

The first commenter there created a script to do the work: 
http://www.utech.de/2013/05/shell-script-creating-a-cd-for-unattended-ubuntu-server-installations/

The reason is that we have somebody to manufacture a small kiosk that will 
have one USB at the back and only WiFi network, so at the time of install, 
there will be no network. This way I can prepare the OS image and just 
''burn'' it there.

So, at the and, my question was misplaced in Puppet forum :).

Thanks!

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