Puppet users - Dec 2010 - OS X package management

Hello,

I''ve got puppet installed and working. I''m looking for a way
to update
software on OS X desktops. I have successfully set up the appdmg package 
provider, and I can update an application. How do you manage installs? I 
want to update an application but not when the user is using the 
application. Is there a way to check if an application is running and do 
the package install later? How do people manage this? Or are more people 
leaning toward Munki and letting Munki''s dialog box interact with the
user?

Sean

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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Sean Lazar <knife@toaster.net>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I''ve got puppet installed and working. I''m looking for a
way to update
> software on OS X desktops. I have successfully set up the appdmg package
> provider, and I can update an application. How do you manage installs? I
> want to update an application but not when the user is using the
> application. Is there a way to check if an application is running and do
the
> package install later? How do people manage this? Or are more people
leaning
> toward Munki and letting Munki''s dialog box interact with the
user?
This is difficult, and I believe that we shouldn''t replicate the great
work Munki is doing in this area, but should instead work on
Munki/Puppet integration. We have some community members who have been
looking into this recently who I''m sure will chime in here.

I''m going to talk about the pkgdmg provider more here, as it offers
more control than appdmg. I know you''re using the latter, but you
really have very little control there.

If these are custom packages, you can do the work in the installation
scripts, but that gets really old really quickly, and doesn''t
translate well to signed flat packages in any case.

If I was spending time working on this problem right now, I''d be
making a munki type/provider that uses Munki to do all this work as
Greg has done a great job dealing with the user interaction process.

There are other hacky solutions like setting up launchd to register
for NSWorkspace notifications and watch for application quits if in
use, then copying the files in, but they''re not trivial to implement.

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Hi Sean,

I''m one of the guys looking into Munki/Puppet integration. I hope to
have something hashed out very soon. For now, Nigel has outlined the
alternatives. I have a small wiki setup at
http://links.huronstudents.com/puppet that describes how I handle
packages, but everything is still quite intrusive.

If you''ve got Python chops and want to help with work on a Munki
provider, just let me know!

Gary

On Wednesday, December 29, 2010, Nigel Kersten <nigel@puppetlabs.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Sean Lazar <knife@toaster.net>
wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I''ve got puppet installed and working. I''m looking
for a way to update
>> software on OS X desktops. I have successfully set up the appdmg
package
>> provider, and I can update an application. How do you manage installs?
I
>> want to update an application but not when the user is using the
>> application. Is there a way to check if an application is running and
do the
>> package install later? How do people manage this? Or are more people
leaning
>> toward Munki and letting Munki''s dialog box interact with the
user?
>
> This is difficult, and I believe that we shouldn''t replicate the
great
> work Munki is doing in this area, but should instead work on
> Munki/Puppet integration. We have some community members who have been
> looking into this recently who I''m sure will chime in here.
>
> I''m going to talk about the pkgdmg provider more here, as it
offers
> more control than appdmg. I know you''re using the latter, but you
> really have very little control there.
>
> If these are custom packages, you can do the work in the installation
> scripts, but that gets really old really quickly, and doesn''t
> translate well to signed flat packages in any case.
>
> If I was spending time working on this problem right now, I''d be
> making a munki type/provider that uses Munki to do all this work as
> Greg has done a great job dealing with the user interaction process.
>
> There are other hacky solutions like setting up launchd to register
> for NSWorkspace notifications and watch for application quits if in
> use, then copying the files in, but they''re not trivial to
implement.
>
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