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Hello,
I was stumbling over the fact that I use a (not existing) toplevel
domain in my environment. So I set up the dnsdomainname to print out the
correct domain (without fullstop (''.'')). Additional I limited
the search
path in resolv.conf to end with a ''.''.
That seems to tangle facter. As I read the code it needs a ''.''
anywhere
in domainname to work and the fallback to parse /etc/resolv.conf cannot
handle trailing ''.''. The last is easy to handle by
$1.sub(/\.$/, '''') but
the first I do not know how to handle correctly for every case (At least
on debian there seems to be ''(none)'' if it is not defined
correctly.)
Could that go into upstream code respective how to fix the first case
proper?
Regards
Klaus Ethgen
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On 05/25/2010 05:29 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:> Hello, > > I was stumbling over the fact that I use a (not existing) toplevel > domain in my environment. So I set up the dnsdomainname to print out the > correct domain (without fullstop (''.'')). Additional I limited the search > path in resolv.conf to end with a ''.''. > > That seems to tangle facter. As I read the code it needs a ''.'' anywhere > in domainname to work and the fallback to parse /etc/resolv.conf cannot > handle trailing ''.''. The last is easy to handle by $1.sub(/\.$/, '''') but > the first I do not know how to handle correctly for every case (At least > on debian there seems to be ''(none)'' if it is not defined correctly.) > > Could that go into upstream code respective how to fix the first case > proper? > > Regards > Klaus EthgenDid you file a bug? -- Joe McDonagh AIM: YoosingYoonickz IRC: joe-mac on freenode L''ennui est contre-révolutionnaire -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, Am Mi den 26. Mai 2010 um 2:20 schrieb Joe McDonagh: [Problem with facter and toplevel domain]> Did you file a bug?No, I didn''t. I do not find where to do so. However, as I had some problems subscribing this list with my non-google-mail I mailed info@... so they told me how to subscribe here. So they should know about the bug. Regards Klaus Ethgen - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBS/2DoJ+OKpjRpO3lAQrfXQgAoZIpz+jytAXiUzB5DLNJ64IIKcNTXSvo d7xbgHtLSqcGG11ezYylVPbvtNGMOzT7KRmt0JloRkVxFqg3NdzV0N9Lg6fdyg/N QrOZ/X2fbrj6iTcD+aoH+AWGk3PlyEdQexcZ1vbYALskRwlTxwpeX6hPT/JMFUtm EWyqDIrk24EsCoEhMt2k6kU43SANOS0u1UOHqMLSzGzHal98sSU5FnuI0X7z3Q5U Y5NP5knvySPqExHZHfvqenD1EGYD5xD4c9RdgtbG8jYffzIpnPR6/20gii3bw9Uk brlktk9aexihDxhw/bc11TJSUlFaOrRYMZyfP6kL4fHV/fId3b3ggQ==Ycyt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On 26 May 2010 21:25, Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de<Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de>> wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hello, > > Am Mi den 26. Mai 2010 um 2:20 schrieb Joe McDonagh: > [Problem with facter and toplevel domain] > > Did you file a bug? > > No, I didn''t. I do not find where to do so. > > However, as I had some problems subscribing this list with my > non-google-mail I mailed info@... so they told me how to subscribe here. > So they should know about the bug.That assumption is incorrect, I don''t work for puppet labs and do not receive email from the info@ address. You can file a new bug in redmine, as linked from the project info page: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/facter/issues Please file a bug with a reproducer example, sample failing output/messages, etc. Paul>-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On 27 May 2010 10:25, Paul Nasrat <pnasrat@gmail.com> wrote:> > > On 26 May 2010 21:25, Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de<Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de> > > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Hello, >> >> Am Mi den 26. Mai 2010 um 2:20 schrieb Joe McDonagh: >> [Problem with facter and toplevel domain] >> > Did you file a bug? >> >> No, I didn''t. I do not find where to do so. >> >> However, as I had some problems subscribing this list with my >> non-google-mail I mailed info@... so they told me how to subscribe here. >> So they should know about the bug. > > > That assumption is incorrect, I don''t work for puppet labs and do not > receive email from the info@ address. > > You can file a new bug in redmine, as linked from the project info page: > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/facter/issues > > Please file a bug with a reproducer example, sample failing > output/messages, etc. >Note this is probably a dupe of http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3356 Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 10:25 schrieb Paul Nasrat:> > However, as I had some problems subscribing this list with my > > non-google-mail I mailed info@... so they told me how to subscribe here. > > So they should know about the bug. > That assumption is incorrect,Hrmpf.> I don''t work for puppet labs and do not receive email from the info@ > address.Well, yes, but the puppetlab people should receive the bug report.> You can file a new bug in redmine, as linked from the project info page: > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/facter/issuesAh, thanks. I didn''t find this link anywhere. And how to create a new ticket? There is no link to create a new one at all on the page.> Please file a bug with a reproducer example, sample failing > output/messages, etc.That might be a bit problematic as it is only reproducable on systems where you have host names like mymachine.private (So "private" is the toplevel domain in the local subnet). Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 13:24 schrieb Paul Nasrat:> Note this is probably a dupe of > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3356Right. This seems to be exact what I stumbled over. There is a note saying that a patch was sent to "the list". I did not see the patch on that list here. Neither I see it in the repository to review. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBS/6VsZ+OKpjRpO3lAQpZjgf6AsloISQRkZNEg+gsRdyhyOlUpPbVEJO0 lSLD9uWHWwUBGVOnLHdwcnYAJQFfAb0QZQMS/rtaoCx1sNss/10B2nqHTKQ7+S/q k+LThbIlZrJyTe0SspIgmffhboq5IiJQnToaIobHiw7dfdeZ8W20aMA6ER8TZEIQ PWrOOihZREKInqGyON7s+bQRLu/SwbA6yOlfYhx3CFlCH02keQgO2c6OlusUjh1w ebmwKPEv7LAIWV8S61nQZaWrHlg7MXWN0HTjtULu1uxFtrpT6/k+Q1yyGy1fnkNB SQj++sf3NbiB7IM96MMKcBHTruU38B6jodpa5YfVcUMHaxsBY8yjnA==22JN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On 27 May 2010 16:54, Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de<Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de>> wrote: > > Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 10:25 schrieb Paul Nasrat: > > > I don''t work for puppet labs and do not receive email from the info@ > > address. > > Well, yes, but the puppetlab people should receive the bug report. >I maintain facter - if it''s not in redmine it may get missed.> You can file a new bug in redmine, as linked from the project info page: > > > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/facter/issues > > Ah, thanks. I didn''t find this link anywhere. And how to create a new > ticket? There is no link to create a new one at all on the page. >You''ll need to be logged in.> > Note this is probably a dupe of > > > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3356 > > Right. This seems to be exact what I stumbled over. > > There is a note saying that a patch was sent to "the list". I did not > see the patch on that list here. Neither I see it in the repository to > review. >Patches get sent to the devel list - the process is described: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Development_Development_Lifecycle Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 17:05 schrieb Paul Nasrat:> I maintain facter - if it''s not in redmine it may get missed.Oh well... :-)> > Ah, thanks. I didn''t find this link anywhere. And how to create a new > > ticket? There is no link to create a new one at all on the page. > You''ll need to be logged in.Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBS/6gYZ+OKpjRpO3lAQr6nwf9HeskfSlKbHm1nCrcOvepRy5Y9B2qxOOw NlcfK9oU5EKQzB2BnZUz6wrqpwIXQlZlT3WgHvpF7YAqmkPiU/F26UscAPm3ay0z ryYa4TTSIuXNcIme8qytk+3pwq+QxKuPLkda6PqABuQONRzE8A9JVB4UI7+86GC6 qofIaRv4z3JZSivPWFct/+ljR9vB7gQW4VOJkzj02Gkzp/VloSu26Cy7BsHWROZw zOxi/0HAUC+PrVrCKmyEaKDowfVyg6MBHs903Ns+nU7JhNQsBsLw50DmOAxkV5Lh aFrYzcKUsrrzDBed9T2dbPFeZUdsjcnkDk4wJy7NKK1z2mAq1mTbCQ==qqq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de<Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de>> wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 17:05 schrieb Paul Nasrat: > > I maintain facter - if it''s not in redmine it may get missed. > > Oh well... :-) > > > > Ah, thanks. I didn''t find this link anywhere. And how to create a new > > > ticket? There is no link to create a new one at all on the page. > > You''ll need to be logged in. > > Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a > account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed > around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. >That''s kind of a crappy approach don''t you think? Have you ever dealt with a bug reporter that accepts anonymous bug reports? It''s almost impossible to treat such reports seriously as you''re often not quite sure whether you''ve fixed the issue or not because you can''t get in contact with the original reporter.> > Regards > Klaus > - -- > Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ > pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> > Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEVAwUBS/6gYZ+OKpjRpO3lAQr6nwf9HeskfSlKbHm1nCrcOvepRy5Y9B2qxOOw > NlcfK9oU5EKQzB2BnZUz6wrqpwIXQlZlT3WgHvpF7YAqmkPiU/F26UscAPm3ay0z > ryYa4TTSIuXNcIme8qytk+3pwq+QxKuPLkda6PqABuQONRzE8A9JVB4UI7+86GC6 > qofIaRv4z3JZSivPWFct/+ljR9vB7gQW4VOJkzj02Gkzp/VloSu26Cy7BsHWROZw > zOxi/0HAUC+PrVrCKmyEaKDowfVyg6MBHs903Ns+nU7JhNQsBsLw50DmOAxkV5Lh > aFrYzcKUsrrzDBed9T2dbPFeZUdsjcnkDk4wJy7NKK1z2mAq1mTbCQ=> =qqq7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Puppet Users" group. > To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<puppet-users%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en. > >-- nigel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Nigel Kersten <nigelk@google.com> writes:> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Klaus Ethgen > <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de<Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de>>> Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a >> account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed >> around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. >> > > That''s kind of a crappy approach don''t you think? > > Have you ever dealt with a bug reporter that accepts anonymous bug reports? > It''s almost impossible to treat such reports seriously as you''re often not > quite sure whether you''ve fixed the issue or not because you can''t get in > contact with the original reporter.I''m with the original poster on this. I dislike random barriers in the way of me providing valuable debugging info. I *used* to be able to submit bugreports without much work. I could email places, or just enter them. Then spammers discovered the internet, and everything got harder. Now there are lots of hoops I need to jump through to ask questions, submit bugs, whatever. The higher barrier tends to push me to not bothering for most things. seph -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Nigel Kersten
2010-May-27 18:17 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Toplevel domain and facter (Offtopic)
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, seph <seph@directionless.org> wrote:> Nigel Kersten <nigelk@google.com> writes: > > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Klaus Ethgen > > <Klaus+puppet@ethgen.de <Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de>< > Klaus%2Bpuppet@ethgen.de <Klaus%252Bpuppet@ethgen.de>> > > >> Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a > >> account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed > >> around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. > >> > > > > That''s kind of a crappy approach don''t you think? > > > > Have you ever dealt with a bug reporter that accepts anonymous bug > reports? > > It''s almost impossible to treat such reports seriously as you''re often > not > > quite sure whether you''ve fixed the issue or not because you can''t get in > > contact with the original reporter. > > I''m with the original poster on this. I dislike random barriers in the > way of me providing valuable debugging info. I *used* to be able to > submit bugreports without much work. I could email places, or just enter > them. > > Then spammers discovered the internet, and everything got harder. Now > there are lots of hoops I need to jump through to ask questions, submit > bugs, whatever. The higher barrier tends to push me to not bothering for > most things. > >It''s not a "random barrier" though. I agree it should be easier, and I believe there''s a bug in about making sure OpenID works, but I stand by my point that it''s bloody difficult to track bugs reported anonymously. -- nigel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 17:57 schrieb Nigel Kersten:> > > You''ll need to be logged in. > > Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a > > account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed > > around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. > That''s kind of a crappy approach don''t you think?Do you really think so?> Have you ever dealt with a bug reporter that accepts anonymous bug reports?Do you know debian? Do you know /usr/bin/reportbug? Do you know RT? There are many bug tracker out there where reporting by e-mail is the usual way.> It''s almost impossible to treat such reports seriously as you''re often not > quite sure whether you''ve fixed the issue or not because you can''t get in > contact with the original reporter.With bug reports by e-mail this is normally not anonymous. Also usual you can get in contact with the reporter. More over, you do not need to go to any web page, you even need no web browser. You can write comfortable with your preferred mail reader and editor. There are many bugs out there. Sometimes they can be reported by the distribution bug tracker but if you install software directly or know that the bug is upstream it is of no use to have a maintainer between. And if you need to register with your shoe size (attention, I do exaggerate) often at least I let the bug be and might fix it locally so the software will not get better. This registration stuff for all is such a broken concept at all! Also mailing lists is not the best form of communication but it is ok that far as I can configure it in my mail reader to sort it in a nice way. (Ever use nntp? This concept is much better than Foren and mailing lists!) However, I will not create a user account on this site too. Take the bug report I gave here or let it be. If you are not interested in the report, well, that''s yours. If you are interested, I stay here or by PM to answer questions or doing debugging. (And you might notice that I am not anonymous, I even sign my mails.) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBS/6/Pp+OKpjRpO3lAQr/vwf/Q7cJW+djFrQQJCCEFzGCNhJ7+CBXDlsM cDNthtphyWZKfk3EL8q4P+QDSw1MOuylkcTvGFzmcDPQz1yqVZ2KhDP3CTMWLOG7 8Zg3Ip93K5ZPLnTF28xgPsLGLjMEODTB9bDh6fymGCHYIVt8YW2lG+uN7EkJMy6e f8iAdmRZWCEdT57uHpDwBmNMoSYDZd2RY5Qhor75YI9G5ikGqyvjbYlAlKmSYfFd 8eJkXbwoJb+2AuzplrUn6nl4Kb0tKxmWeNM3GMnpRRe4iJCuqXbMI+azakngIt0s DTKoEvSK8bpSmEHBixfz9NLzKnGoaJodlJOe6FE+k4Uee2Qw5EeXBA==cz9H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On 05/27/2010 02:51 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 17:57 schrieb Nigel Kersten: > >>>> You''ll need to be logged in. >>>> >>> Ah. Bad. I have no account there and I dislike the idea to create a >>> account anywhere to just report a bug. I have that many accounts sprayed >>> around the net that I do not want to manage one more, sorry. >>> >> That''s kind of a crappy approach don''t you think? >> > Do you really think so? > > >> Have you ever dealt with a bug reporter that accepts anonymous bug reports? >> > Do you know debian? Do you know /usr/bin/reportbug? Do you know RT? > There are many bug tracker out there where reporting by e-mail is the > usual way. > > >> It''s almost impossible to treat such reports seriously as you''re often not >> quite sure whether you''ve fixed the issue or not because you can''t get in >> contact with the original reporter. >> > With bug reports by e-mail this is normally not anonymous. Also usual > you can get in contact with the reporter. > > More over, you do not need to go to any web page, you even need no web > browser. You can write comfortable with your preferred mail reader and > editor. > > There are many bugs out there. Sometimes they can be reported by the > distribution bug tracker but if you install software directly or know > that the bug is upstream it is of no use to have a maintainer between. > And if you need to register with your shoe size (attention, I do > exaggerate) often at least I let the bug be and might fix it locally so > the software will not get better. This registration stuff for all is > such a broken concept at all! Also mailing lists is not the best form of > communication but it is ok that far as I can configure it in my mail > reader to sort it in a nice way. (Ever use nntp? This concept is much > better than Foren and mailing lists!) > > However, I will not create a user account on this site too. Take the bug > report I gave here or let it be. If you are not interested in the > report, well, that''s yours. If you are interested, I stay here or by PM > to answer questions or doing debugging. (And you might notice that I am > not anonymous, I even sign my mails.) > > Regards > Klaus > - -- > Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ > pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen<Klaus@Ethgen.de> > Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEVAwUBS/6/Pp+OKpjRpO3lAQr/vwf/Q7cJW+djFrQQJCCEFzGCNhJ7+CBXDlsM > cDNthtphyWZKfk3EL8q4P+QDSw1MOuylkcTvGFzmcDPQz1yqVZ2KhDP3CTMWLOG7 > 8Zg3Ip93K5ZPLnTF28xgPsLGLjMEODTB9bDh6fymGCHYIVt8YW2lG+uN7EkJMy6e > f8iAdmRZWCEdT57uHpDwBmNMoSYDZd2RY5Qhor75YI9G5ikGqyvjbYlAlKmSYfFd > 8eJkXbwoJb+2AuzplrUn6nl4Kb0tKxmWeNM3GMnpRRe4iJCuqXbMI+azakngIt0s > DTKoEvSK8bpSmEHBixfz9NLzKnGoaJodlJOe6FE+k4Uee2Qw5EeXBA=> =cz9H > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Regardless of your intentions, etc, this is somewhat insulting IMO to an open-source/foss project. It''s almost like saying "Well I appreciate the thousands of lines of code you''ve given me for free, and the man-hours it took to write that code, and the man-hours you''ve saved me, but I''m not willing to give you five minutes to create a log in to your bug tracker." Just sayin''. If you really can''t be bothered feel free to hop on IRC, I will file the bug for you. -- Joe McDonagh Operations Engineer AIM: YoosingYoonickz IRC: joe-mac on freenode "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Rather than continue with this sort of semi-argument, I''ve gone and created an issue in redmine, #3909. -- -- Joe McDonagh Operations Engineer AIM: YoosingYoonickz IRC: joe-mac on freenode "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, Am Fr den 28. Mai 2010 um 17:04 schrieb Joe McDonagh:> Regardless of your intentions, etc, this is somewhat insulting IMO to an > open-source/foss project.That is not my intention and I think I made that clear.> It''s almost like saying "Well I appreciate the thousands of lines of > code you''ve given me for free, and the man-hours it took to write > that code, and the man-hours you''ve saved me, but I''m not willing to > give you five minutes to create a log in to your bug tracker."Well, I do not think that way. It is not the time that is needed to fill such a login. Its the fact _that_ there is a independent login for one another software project. If you just use one tool and are not interested in the rest of the world, that might be ok. But I am willing to contribute to several projects if I find errors or, better, if I have something to contribute the code. So if every project ask to create a login this is a pain in the a... Not to mention the information which is needed to fill such a login application, which is not you want to spray all over the world. (I know, public viewing and public exhibition is common in the facebook and twitter generation but I think that is the wrong way.)> Just sayin''. If you really can''t be bothered feel free to hop on IRC, > I will file the bug for you.Oh, I wonder if IRC is that much more non-anonymous than e-mail!? (That does not mean that we can not talk about the bug on IRC if needed. Just tell me the server and the channel.) However: Am Do den 27. Mai 2010 um 13:24 schrieb Paul Nasrat:> Note this is probably a dupe of > > http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3356the problem is still known so there is no need to fill another bug. Behind the line it was more problematic to get to the informations about the bug tracker and the knowledge to apply to this mailing list with a non-google address than it is needed and more than it is common with other software projects. And that was, beside the bug, the main subject of that thread. And If I look back, I can find that I am not the only one who is a bit upset about the login need to fill a bug. If you want the contribution of other people, just hold the hurdle low. For the projects I am involved in I am very happy to get bug reports by mail and if I want to track them in a bug tracker, well, I have no problem to fill it in myself. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.de/ pub 2048R/D1A4EDE5 2000-02-26 Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de> Fingerprint: D7 67 71 C4 99 A6 D4 FE EA 40 30 57 3C 88 26 2B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBTAAmw5+OKpjRpO3lAQr8Sgf+IenjXS5fMPT4PATaqWGn6F/nxqdVvCuA OnV4Zr0CWaoa967xnE2rn9qF46qQTwX88iWhGdSUKHF7jwmzboCxQsv2aaPyA4Yg avaSe+F5n4uLiCBNFQwNtk/ZbhzBw1N2c4dRNSihS35q8PFkkO3m7dCtvxpFch+s vIAJGhUU0dSutAlrKeA+tOGa1NtzOp3wpZo617ZqATWwkJsq5CKbgombXnC81Yc8 l/o6djwM59KJVVIFC/dzVaskWYKBH85v3i78qLapdWvhyTPTk+5WBDCbJizoKPqg iB94Az3WbMmCddifkXFMMTd0GC1A1Mcov/xXUKwRp1G8h3y/oqi6Mw==86bS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Nigel Kersten wrote:> It''s not a "random barrier" though. I agree it should be easier, and > I believe there''s a bug in about making sure OpenID works, but I > stand by my point that it''s bloody difficult to track bugs reported > anonymously.I didn''t see anybody ask for the ability to send anonymous bug reports (although thta would certainly be useful). I saw somebody ask for the ability to send bug reports without having to create a new account. For example, that desire could be satisfied by the ability to send a bug report via email, or via a web form in which one of the questions is your email address. When faced with bug reporting processes that require me to login or to create an accuont, I have several times chosen not to bother. Only in a few cases have I chosen to create the account required. This state of affairs is not useful to the maintainers of the software, who would benefit from bug reports, but who do not benefit from people choosing not to bother reporting problems. --apb (Alan Barrett) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
David Schmitt
2010-Jun-01 18:38 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Toplevel domain and facter (Offtopic)
Am 27.05.2010 20:17, schrieb Nigel Kersten:> I believe there''s a bug in about making sure OpenID worksOpenID works for me[tm]. Best Regards, David -- dasz.at OG Tel: +43 (0)664 2602670 Web: http://dasz.at Klosterneuburg UID: ATU64260999 FB-Nr.: FN 309285 g FB-Gericht: LG Korneuburg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
James Turnbull
2010-Jun-02 01:08 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
Alan Barrett wrote:> On Thu, 27 May 2010, Nigel Kersten wrote: >> It''s not a "random barrier" though. I agree it should be easier, and >> I believe there''s a bug in about making sure OpenID works, but I >> stand by my point that it''s bloody difficult to track bugs reported >> anonymously. > > I didn''t see anybody ask for the ability to send anonymous bug reports > (although thta would certainly be useful). I saw somebody ask for the > ability to send bug reports without having to create a new account. For > example, that desire could be satisfied by the ability to send a bug > report via email, or via a web form in which one of the questions is > your email address.Alan I''m still struggling to understand how this mechanism would work. And why it wouldn''t be spam''ed? Surely you''d need to provide something to log a ticket that stopped someone scripting a spam attack against the address or the form? I personally don''t know any projects (happy to be corrected) that do this ... all the ones I regularly interact with - Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora/RH, Redmine, anything on GitHub, Get Satisfaction, etc require a login. As indicated we support OpenID to help lower this barrier (although not on the Forge yet) and we''re looking at extending Redmine to allow updates via email. Regards James Turnbull -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Daniel Pittman
2010-Jun-02 06:30 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
James Turnbull <james@puppetlabs.com> writes:> Alan Barrett wrote: >> On Thu, 27 May 2010, Nigel Kersten wrote:[...]>> I didn''t see anybody ask for the ability to send anonymous bug reports[...]> I personally don''t know any projects (happy to be corrected) that do this > ... all the ones I regularly interact with - Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora/RH, > Redmine, anything on GitHub, Get Satisfaction, etc require a login.Debian doesn''t, to submit bug reports. Random users can email bug reports to submit@bugs.debian.org and have them included in the bug database. Daniel -- ✣ Daniel Pittman ✉ daniel@rimspace.net ☎ +61 401 155 707 ♽ made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
David Schmitt
2010-Jun-02 08:41 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
On 6/2/2010 8:30 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote:> James Turnbull<james@puppetlabs.com> writes: >> Alan Barrett wrote: >>> On Thu, 27 May 2010, Nigel Kersten wrote: > > [...] > >>> I didn''t see anybody ask for the ability to send anonymous bug reports > > [...] > >> I personally don''t know any projects (happy to be corrected) that do this >> ... all the ones I regularly interact with - Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora/RH, >> Redmine, anything on GitHub, Get Satisfaction, etc require a login. > > Debian doesn''t, to submit bug reports. Random users can email bug reports to > submit@bugs.debian.org and have them included in the bug database.Which is **very** convenient, except for the poor slobs who administer the spam filters. Best Regards, David -- dasz.at OG Tel: +43 (0)664 2602670 Web: http://dasz.at Klosterneuburg UID: ATU64260999 FB-Nr.: FN 309285 g FB-Gericht: LG Korneuburg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010, James Turnbull wrote:> > I didn''t see anybody ask for the ability to send anonymous bug reports > > (although thta would certainly be useful). I saw somebody ask for the > > ability to send bug reports without having to create a new account. For > > example, that desire could be satisfied by the ability to send a bug > > report via email, or via a web form in which one of the questions is > > your email address. > > I''m still struggling to understand how this mechanism would work. And > why it wouldn''t be spam''ed? Surely you''d need to provide something to > log a ticket that stopped someone scripting a spam attack against the > address or the form?Yes, spam might be a problem, but projects exist that allow anybody to email bug reports (NetBSD, FreeBSD, and Debian are a few examples). For example, projects using gnats as the bug tracker could easily reject messages that are not formatted correctly. Projects using an anonymous web form could use a CAPTCHA to slow spammers down. --apb (Alan Barrett) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Craig Miskell
2010-Jun-03 20:33 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
Alan Barrett wrote:> On Wed, 02 Jun 2010, James Turnbull wrote: > Projects using an anonymous > web form could use a CAPTCHA to slow spammers down.But that''s a barrier to reporting!!!! I have to type a one or two extra words into a *separate* form field, usually from a slightly difficult to read text image (images as text on the web? That''s horrible design). /end rant^Wsarcasm^Wirony^W oh hell, I don''t know what this is. :) -- Craig Miskell Senior Systems Administrator Opus International Consultants Phone: +64 4 471 7209 Lots of couples say, "We want a baby." I never heard one say, "We want a teen-ager." -- Ruth Moore, private communication -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Keith Edmunds
2010-Jun-03 21:31 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:33:34 +1200, craig.miskell@opus.co.nz said:> from a slightly difficult to read text imageCAPTCHAs have got to the stage where they are easier for computers to read than they are for humans to read. My wife''s phpBB had a CAPTCHA and was forever getting spammed; now we have a textual question and the spamming has stopped. I agree: putting barriers in the way of people reporting bugs means fewer bug reports. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
eric.sorenson
2010-Jun-03 22:44 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] Arbitrary barriers to bug reporting
Amusing (albeit off-topic) captcha story, reposted from my blog I was talking with somebody about captcha arms race at work today and heard the most brilliant scam. Apparently spammers who are attempting to spam to captcha-enabled sites screen-grab the captcha image and then turn around and serve the same image as a captchato fake/spammy porn sites they run. So the real people trying to get in to the porn site do the captcha computation for the spammers, who then automatically feed the results back in to the original site. They are tapping into the inexhaustible queue of pending porn-hounds to get through legitimate site defenses. For some reason, the beauty of this completely made my week. On Jun 03, 2010, at 02:32 PM, Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com> wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:33:34 +1200, craig.miskell@opus.co.nz said:> from a slightly difficult to read text imageCAPTCHAs have got to the stage where they are easier for computers to read than they are for humans to read. My wife''s phpBB had a CAPTCHA and was forever getting spammed; now we have a textual question and the spamming has stopped. I agree: putting barriers in the way of people reporting bugs means fewer bug reports. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.