Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-19 17:52 UTC
[Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find
any
information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable,
and if so how?
Here''s my #1 example: when I set the mode on a file resource, I want
to
set a different default mode for a file than for a directory. Files have
an attribute named type, which the docs say is "a read-only state to check
the file type". That would seem to be the right thing, so I want to write
something like
file { mode => $type ? { file => 0644, directory => 0755 } }
But that isn''t right of course, since $type is a facter fact, unrelated
to
the file''s type attribute. So is the type attribute available for me
to
use, and if so how?
Thanks,
Andrew.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Schulman < google-groups-andrex@sneakemail.com> wrote:> The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find any > information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable, > and if so how? > > Here''s my #1 example: when I set the mode on a file resource, I want to > set a different default mode for a file than for a directory. Files have > an attribute named type, which the docs say is "a read-only state to check > the file type". That would seem to be the right thing, so I want to write > something like > >that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644.> file { mode => $type ? { file => 0644, directory => 0755 } } > > But that isn''t right of course, since $type is a facter fact, unrelated to > the file''s type attribute. So is the type attribute available for me to > use, and if so how? > > Thanks, > Andrew. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Puppet Users" group. > To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=. > > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=.
Nigel Kersten
2009-Nov-20 02:42 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Dan Bode <dan@reductivelabs.com> wrote:> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Schulman > <google-groups-andrex@sneakemail.com> wrote: >> >> The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find any >> information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable, >> and if so how? >> >> Here''s my #1 example: when I set the mode on a file resource, I want to >> set a different default mode for a file than for a directory. Files have >> an attribute named type, which the docs say is "a read-only state to check >> the file type". That would seem to be the right thing, so I want to write >> something like >> > > > that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up > default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644.Really? That just seems like a horrible feature.> >> >> file { mode => $type ? { file => 0644, directory => 0755 } } >> >> But that isn''t right of course, since $type is a facter fact, unrelated to >> the file''s type attribute. So is the type attribute available for me to >> use, and if so how? >> >> Thanks, >> Andrew. >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Puppet Users" group. >> To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Puppet Users" group. > To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=. >-- nigel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=.
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-20 10:09 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> As a feature, if you set up > default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644.Is that documented anywhere? I''ve never seen it. That still leaves my question unanswered, though. Thanks, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=.
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-20 11:05 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Dan Bode <dan-0XSQ0HGH2nwuwkf9f5KqfQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Schulman > > <google-groups-andrex-O/bDAPVd7B0N+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> > >> The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find any > >> information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable, > >> and if so how? > >> > >> Here''s my #1 example: when I set the mode on a file resource, I want to > >> set a different default mode for a file than for a directory. Files have > >> an attribute named type, which the docs say is "a read-only state to check > >> the file type". That would seem to be the right thing, so I want to write > >> something like > >> > > > > > > that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up > > default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644. > > Really? That just seems like a horrible feature.Actually I think it''s the right thing to do. There''s apparently no way at present to tell Puppet how to handle files and directories differently when recurse is true, so there needs to be a reasonable default. Yes, it is possible to want a directory to be readable but not executable, but by far the more common case is to want either both or neither. So I hope that Puppet''s rule is: "when recurse is true, anywhere the read (4) bit is on in the mode setting, add the execute (1) bit to directories." Whatever the rule is, it needs to be documented under file.mode. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=.
Peter Meier
2009-Nov-20 12:22 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
>> Really? That just seems like a horrible feature. > > Actually I think it''s the right thing to do. There''s apparently no way at > present to tell Puppet how to handle files and directories differently when > recurse is true, so there needs to be a reasonable default. Yes, it > is possible > to want a directory to be readable but not executable, but by far the more > common case is to want either both or neither. > > So I hope that Puppet''s rule is: "when recurse is true, anywhere > the read (4) > bit is on in the mode setting, add the execute (1) bit to directories." > > Whatever the rule is, it needs to be documented under file.mode.there have been some discussion about that on the list recently, as well there should be a feature request to give the possiblility to let act file without all that magic to be able to set a directory to read-only but not executable. cheers pete
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-24 19:05 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find any > information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable, > and if so how?Any answer to this question? If read-only attributes are only for internal use in Puppet, it would be helpful to say that in the docs. Thanks, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-24 20:17 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Schulman < > google-groups-andrex-O/bDAPVd7B0N+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > The Type Reference lists 8 read-only type attributes, but I can''t find any > > information in the documentation about how to use them. Are they usable, > > and if so how? > > > > Here''s my #1 example: when I set the mode on a file resource, I want to > > set a different default mode for a file than for a directory. Files have > > an attribute named type, which the docs say is "a read-only state to check > > the file type". That would seem to be the right thing, so I want to write > > something like > > > > > > that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up > default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644.I''ve tested this and it''s true, so I''ve added an explanation of it in the docs. It''s pretty important to know... I wondered for a long time how to do this. Thanks, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
James Turnbull
2009-Nov-24 23:59 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Schulman wrote:>> that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up >> default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644. > > I''ve tested this and it''s true, so I''ve added an explanation of it in the > docs. It''s pretty important to know... I wondered for a long time how to > do this. Thanks, Andrew.Andrew Thanks for the docs update - the TypeReference is auto-generated from the Puppet source so I deleted your update from the current wiki and committed it into the relevant section of the code. Regards James Turnbull - -- Author of: * Pro Linux System Administration (http://tinyurl.com/linuxadmin) * Pulling Strings with Puppet (http://tinyurl.com/pupbook) * Pro Nagios 2.0 (http://tinyurl.com/pronagios) * Hardening Linux (http://tinyurl.com/hardeninglinux) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJLDHN1AAoJECFa/lDkFHAyf1sH+NjzAYdgUAfe5sHd5OO6WS1A Q+Yud4RN4Ji228yvexDA8WzNdeBgCbZurZAik2luB8kr/hPBBxabbc37a2+l/zbS YLCyoQ4yKTB6va+XwBj4yMR5WYIkK8naRpPmLdzAfCS57P6b1SAtYw9R9mwhwZIe odWQineFB+NIVoafOuqlt/OCBuZh6GGQU7FfMsx5QFSHWeztFJZAtwrgF70paBwf Pzn01yW44bKarX+sTFHls4wKZlaVRsQay11SY4Eg8xa/ve/6Ph5jxdoOBren1sQB LmnQ04b42aFRkHYkp/7h1+i2v4uQ/94kZl88iS+W+tjrFgoTkf+rpzuQL/lmKA==Wzhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-25 04:11 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> Andrew Schulman wrote: > >> that doesnt exactly work as you described it. As a feature, if you set up > >> default mode as 644, puppet assumes that you want 755 on dirs and not 644. > > > > I''ve tested this and it''s true, so I''ve added an explanation of it in the > > docs. It''s pretty important to know... I wondered for a long time how to > > do this. Thanks, Andrew. > > Andrew > > Thanks for the docs update - the TypeReference is auto-generated from > the Puppet source so I deleted your update from the current wiki and > committed it into the relevant section of the code.Ah-- okay, thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Andrew Schulman
2009-Nov-25 14:55 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
> Thanks for the docs update - the TypeReference is auto-generated from > the Puppet source so I deleted your update from the current wiki and > committed it into the relevant section of the code.When will the wiki page be regenerated? So far it hasn''t been, so my edits have vanished. Thanks, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Peter Meier
2009-Nov-25 19:18 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
>> Thanks for the docs update - the TypeReference is auto-generated from >> the Puppet source so I deleted your update from the current wiki and >> committed it into the relevant section of the code. > > When will the wiki page be regenerated? So far it hasn''t been, so my edits > have vanished. Thanks, Andrew.I assume more or less automatically after http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/2857 have been merged. cheers pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
James Turnbull
2009-Nov-25 21:14 UTC
Re: [Puppet Users] are read-only type attributes usable?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Schulman wrote:>> Thanks for the docs update - the TypeReference is auto-generated from >> the Puppet source so I deleted your update from the current wiki and >> committed it into the relevant section of the code. > > When will the wiki page be regenerated? So far it hasn''t been, so my edits > have vanished. Thanks, Andrew. >They are generally regenerated when we release - so it''ll be at the release 0.25.2. But your changes should be there I must have saved the old version - fixed now. Regards James Turnbull - -- Author of: * Pro Linux System Administration (http://tinyurl.com/linuxadmin) * Pulling Strings with Puppet (http://tinyurl.com/pupbook) * Pro Nagios 2.0 (http://tinyurl.com/pronagios) * Hardening Linux (http://tinyurl.com/hardeninglinux) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLDZ4bAAoJECFa/lDkFHAydWkH/1o7em2IEAvUTSQZPVwCTjEK VNV8VK06TFZ3vtMLGiB0nrxoiOLNk8RTxVAAEw5+CAFWqvJRDUYhEBD1afXvNejE VZleZ13qD+gc8nUYr7bF/7vDt+TiLbmRnoIWnCS8+8DfHt1caPcq0SUUGXgUyhYt nbZ2rQwCF283HY8MYHsBn8jMusEX1+5HsvPP86hsSYSHOHFjVZbr5/1auMpj4BQx H5eOa5efi/XGFrjYj6HuYkxAqeYwb7z5SlGQGeSVvMgP0qCyXq6x7ZW94aYxJDKs y/KbpbPN8DOdRUka4NmQpdHoRdtqlBo9YWq5gAAhmbTQexi00xbR4j3kSzl0YMI=2u65 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.