Hi all,
I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably
following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused
on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days.
Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so,
is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming
a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum?
I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but
I''d
require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep
this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In
this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This
first
class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining
what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot
more personal attention, but a bit less organization.
Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first
class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of
the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1
airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want
a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can
negotiate location.
I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere
in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d
charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note.
Here''s what I''m thinking for details:
* Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare
(should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a
standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own
OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and
I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit
likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class).
* In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably
charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days.
For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d
charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just
outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally,
since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list.
* The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture.
* I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly
or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems
appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this
for later classes.
* The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like
version control systems.
* I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on
demand) development class.
Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things
I''ve always hated about training:
* The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does
increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you
won''t be
bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a
cheaper
city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs.
* I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and
organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small
community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with
each other.
If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable
sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you
would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please
send that to me directly, also.
What does everyone think? Interested?
--
The Roman Rule:
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
one who is doing it.
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Luke, I''m incredibly interested. Hopefully my employer will be interested enough to sponsor this training for me. Chalk me up as interested but not sure if I can commit. --Paul On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > Hi all, > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > negotiate location. > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > for later classes. > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > version control systems. > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > I''ve always hated about training: > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other. > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > send that to me directly, also. > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > one who is doing it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Put me down as interested subject to confirmation of dates. Mid June would be much better for me but I don''t expect you to move it around for that :) Paul Lathrop wrote:> Luke, > > I''m incredibly interested. Hopefully my employer will be interested > enough to sponsor this training for me. Chalk me up as interested but > not sure if I can commit. > > --Paul > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably >> following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused >> on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. >> >> Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, >> is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming >> a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? >> >> I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d >> require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep >> this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In >> this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first >> class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining >> what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot >> more personal attention, but a bit less organization. >> >> Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first >> class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of >> the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 >> airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want >> a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can >> negotiate location. >> >> I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere >> in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d >> charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. >> >> Here''s what I''m thinking for details: >> >> * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare >> (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a >> standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own >> OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and >> I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit >> likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). >> >> * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably >> charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. >> For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d >> charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just >> outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, >> since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. >> >> * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. >> >> * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly >> or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems >> appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this >> for later classes. >> >> * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like >> version control systems. >> >> * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on >> demand) development class. >> >> Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things >> I''ve always hated about training: >> >> * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does >> increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be >> bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper >> city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. >> >> * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and >> organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small >> community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with >> each other. >> >> If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable >> sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you >> would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please >> send that to me directly, also. >> >> What does everyone think? Interested? >> >> -- >> The Roman Rule: >> The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the >> one who is doing it. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. 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I''m interested assuming my employer would pay. Kent On 21/03/2008, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > Hi all, > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > negotiate location. > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > for later classes. > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > version control systems. > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > I''ve always hated about training: > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other. > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > send that to me directly, also. > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > one who is doing it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
--On March 21, 2008 1:33:10 AM -0500 Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other.I think this is a great idea. I''d love to help where I can and meet other Puppeteers. -- Digant C Kasundra, Linux Tech Lead Information Technology Services, Stanford University --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
If you lock down dates soon enough, it is very likely I could make it. We are getting close to the end of the fiscal year, so I would need to encumber the funds Real Soon Now. - Chad (chadh on irc) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
That reminds me -- I''d been meaning to ask how many people on this list are in/around San Francisco and, of those folks, how many would be interested in getting together every once in a while to talk shop? I was thinking something decidedly informal, along the lines of icanhasruby/baysec/thereisonlyxul/etc could be useful... Let me know off-list if you''re interested and we can figure out the details. -sq On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Digant C Kasundra wrote:> > --On March 21, 2008 1:33:10 AM -0500 Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> > wrote: > >> * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and >> organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small >> community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can >> with >> each other. > > I think this is a great idea. I''d love to help where I can and meet > other > Puppeteers. > > -- > Digant C Kasundra, Linux Tech Lead > Information Technology Services, Stanford University > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. >I''d actually be much more interested in this kind of a class, but I''m not sure what the demand would be like. -- Nigel Kersten Systems Administrator MacOps --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Luke, I think my department has probably spent all their training money for this fiscal year (July-June FY) and wouldn''t be able to do something then, but I''m guessing that for something in September or later I could convince them to send me and one of my co-workers. Depends a lot on how the California state budget is going, though. The costs you''d outlined sounded reasonable. The definition of "committed" could be slightly problematic; Purchase orders and credit cards are the easiest ways to handle paying for things around here, and I think purchase orders usually involve the check coming after receipt of the product or service. -- Eric Eisenhart <eric.eisenhart@sonoma.edu> Lead Unix/Linux System Administrator 1.707.664.3099 Sonoma State University, Information Technology Jabber/XMPP: eisenhae@jabber.sonoma.edu AIM: ericeisenhart --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Im interested adn i am pretty sure i can bring myself and a co- worker. still would have to pass it by my director and would need to know what the cost would be per for the class. On Mar 20, 11:33 pm, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > negotiate location. > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > for later classes. > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > version control systems. > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > I''ve always hated about training: > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other. > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > send that to me directly, also. > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > one who is doing it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I know of two companies I just introduced to puppet who would be willing to send some of their ops guys along with me and the guys under me at my company. -jason On Mar 20, 11:33 pm, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > negotiate location. > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > for later classes. > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > version control systems. > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > I''ve always hated about training: > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other. > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > send that to me directly, also. > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > one who is doing it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Definitely would be interested in something like this. On Mar 22, 12:39 pm, jrojas <jason.r.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:> I know of two companies I just introduced to puppet who would be > willing to send some of their ops guys along with me and the guys > under me at my company. > -jason > > On Mar 20, 11:33 pm, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > > negotiate location. > > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > > for later classes. > > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > > version control systems. > > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > > demand) development class. > > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > > I''ve always hated about training: > > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > > each other. > > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > > send that to me directly, also. > > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > > -- > > The Roman Rule: > > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > > one who is doing it. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote:> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> > wrote: > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > I''d actually be much more interested in this kind of a class, but > I''m not sure what the demand would be like.I''ve no real idea, either, which is fine, since it''s going to take me a while to figure out exactly what development topics people want to hear. If others are specifically interested in development training, please let me know. -- I believe that if it were left to artists to choose their own labels, most would choose none. -- Ben Shahn --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
It would be interesting if development training took the form of a bug/type bash while learning more about the code base. Either way I would be most interested in developer training. I also just switched jobs and it is looking fairly likely that I''ll be implementing puppet through out, in which case I could probably get some of my new co-workers into regular training classes. On 3/22/08, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> > > wrote: > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > > demand) development class. > > > > I''d actually be much more interested in this kind of a class, but > > I''m not sure what the demand would be like. > > > I''ve no real idea, either, which is fine, since it''s going to take me > a while to figure out exactly what development topics people want to > hear. > > If others are specifically interested in development training, please > let me know. > > > -- > I believe that if it were left to artists to choose their own labels, > most would choose none. -- Ben Shahn > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''m interested. --Randy Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com On Mar 21, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Sam Quigley wrote:> > That reminds me -- I''d been meaning to ask how many people on this > list are in/around San Francisco and, of those folks, how many would > be interested in getting together every once in a while to talk shop? > I was thinking something decidedly informal, along the lines of > icanhasruby/baysec/thereisonlyxul/etc could be useful... > > Let me know off-list if you''re interested and we can figure out the > details. > -sq > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Digant C Kasundra wrote: > >> >> --On March 21, 2008 1:33:10 AM -0500 Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> >> wrote: >> >>> * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and >>> organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small >>> community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can >>> with >>> each other. >> >> I think this is a great idea. I''d love to help where I can and meet >> other >> Puppeteers. >> >> -- >> Digant C Kasundra, Linux Tech Lead >> Information Technology Services, Stanford University >> >>> > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 22, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Brian Finney wrote:> It would be interesting if development training took the form of a > bug/type bash while learning more about the code base. Either way I > would be most interested in developer training.You mean a kind of hackfest where we try to burn through as many bugs as possible? That would be pretty awesome, although I don''t think many employers would pay for it. Maybe it''s time to have a Puppet conference or camp or something, which would be a perfect place to have this. And that''s two who are interested in the developer training, which is a good start.> > I also just switched jobs and it is looking fairly likely that I''ll > be implementing puppet through out, in which case I could probably > get some of my new co-workers into regular training classes.Awesome on both counts. -- We all have strength enough to endure the misfortunes of others. -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
That or create new types that people in the class would find useful for their situations. I imagine it would a very food intro to the api''s and may make it more likely to get companies to pay for it. Though after a few of these you would probably start running out of universally useful types, probably a good thing :-). Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. On 3/22/08, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Brian Finney wrote: > > > It would be interesting if development training took the form of a > > bug/type bash while learning more about the code base. Either way I > > would be most interested in developer training. > > > You mean a kind of hackfest where we try to burn through as many bugs > as possible? That would be pretty awesome, although I don''t think > many employers would pay for it. Maybe it''s time to have a Puppet > conference or camp or something, which would be a perfect place to > have this. > > And that''s two who are interested in the developer training, which is > a good start. > > > > > > I also just switched jobs and it is looking fairly likely that I''ll > > be implementing puppet through out, in which case I could probably > > get some of my new co-workers into regular training classes. > > > > Awesome on both counts. > > > -- > We all have strength enough to endure the misfortunes of others. > -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 23, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Brian Finney wrote:> That or create new types that people in the class would find useful > for their situations. I imagine it would a very food intro to the > api''s and may make it more likely to get companies to pay for it. > Though after a few of these you would probably start running out of > universally useful types, probably a good thing :-).You likely would start running out of types and providers, but with REST, we''ll have all kinds of new interesting plugins to add, like an LDAP source for collected resources.> > Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome.Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a space for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some place with three or so classrooms. -- Kai''s Example Dilemma: A good analogy is like a diagonal frog. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a space > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > place with three or so classrooms.Absolutely no guarantees here, but I used to work for Mitch Kapor, who has a beautiful office space in San Francisco and is usually pretty open to allowing this sort of use of the space... So, if there is someone who wants to organize this sort of thing, let me know and I''ll touch base with Mitch about maybe using his space. --Paul --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I to might be able to score some space for this. Office is in soma right off the muni. I would also be up to help organize it. Especially if its in the bay area. -j Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:19 PM, "Paul Lathrop" <paul@tertiusfamily.net> wrote:> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> > wrote: >> Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a >> space >> for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the >> world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some >> place with three or so classrooms. > > Absolutely no guarantees here, but I used to work for Mitch Kapor, who > has a beautiful office space in San Francisco and is usually pretty > open to allowing this sort of use of the space... > > So, if there is someone who wants to organize this sort of thing, let > me know and I''ll touch base with Mitch about maybe using his space. > > --Paul > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
again for myself and a co-worker interested in dev training as well.. On Mar 22, 1:41 pm, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> > > wrote: > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > > demand) development class. > > > I''d actually be much more interested in this kind of a class, but > > I''m not sure what the demand would be like. > > I''ve no real idea, either, which is fine, since it''s going to take me > a while to figure out exactly what development topics people want to > hear. > > If others are specifically interested in development training, please > let me know. > > -- > I believe that if it were left to artists to choose their own labels, > most would choose none. -- Ben Shahn > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting support from some larger entities. --Randy Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote:>> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a space > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > place with three or so classrooms.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
So Gang, I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized in the bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do we want? training? some knowledge transfer? a development track for puppet hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having their company sponsor a meal, or send along some money to help pay for getting Luke and others to the conf that would be sweet. I want to make the conference as cheep as possible for the community. Thoughts? Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. So if anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can start getting things hammered down. -j On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Randy Bias <randyb@neotactics.com> wrote:> > I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and > finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting > support from some larger entities. > > > --Randy > > > > Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. > (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > > >> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a space > > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > > place with three or so classrooms. > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Jason Aras wrote:> So Gang, > > I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized > in the bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do > we want? training? some knowledge transfer? a development track > for puppet hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having > their company sponsor a meal, or send along some money to help pay > for getting Luke and others to the conf that would be sweet. I > want to make the conference as cheep as possible for the community. > > Thoughts? > > Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. > So if anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can > start getting things hammered down.I''m very happy you''re organizing this; I''ll obviously be there, and I''m glad to give whatever talks people think might be useful. Just let me know what you want to hear about. I''d certainly hope to talk some about what I want to have happen in terms of development in the near future. -- Humphrey''s Law of the Efficacy of Prayer: In a dangerous world there will always be more people around whose prayers for their own safety have been answered than those whose prayers have not. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jason, Thanks for taking point. I''m willing to help where I have time. I''ll see if I can''t round up some funding as well. I''d be interested in all three of the items you mentioned, in the order: training, development, knowledge transfer. Feel free to contact me off-list as needed. --Paul On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Jason Aras <jason.aras@gmail.com> wrote:> So Gang, > > I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized in the > bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do we want? > training? some knowledge transfer? a development track for puppet > hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having their company sponsor > a meal, or send along some money to help pay for getting Luke and others to > the conf that would be sweet. I want to make the conference as cheep as > possible for the community. > > Thoughts? > > Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. So if > anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can start getting > things hammered down. > > -j > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Randy Bias <randyb@neotactics.com> wrote: > > > > I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and > > finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting > > support from some larger entities. > > > > > > > > --Randy > > > > > > > > Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. > > (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > > > > >> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a space > > > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > > > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > > > place with three or so classrooms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hello List. First of all, ahoi there, this is my first message to the list. Second, since i live in Argentina, is kind of difficult for me to be there, but if you need webspace or any kind of service on internet, i have a server in usa that i can share. cheers! On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Paul Lathrop <paul@tertiusfamily.net> wrote:> > Jason, > > Thanks for taking point. I''m willing to help where I have time. I''ll > see if I can''t round up some funding as well. > > I''d be interested in all three of the items you mentioned, in the > order: training, development, knowledge transfer. > > Feel free to contact me off-list as needed. > > --Paul > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Jason Aras <jason.aras@gmail.com> wrote: > > So Gang, > > > > I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized in > the > > bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do we want? > > training? some knowledge transfer? a development track for puppet > > hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having their company > sponsor > > a meal, or send along some money to help pay for getting Luke and others > to > > the conf that would be sweet. I want to make the conference as cheep > as > > possible for the community. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. So if > > anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can start getting > > things hammered down. > > > > -j > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Randy Bias <randyb@neotactics.com> > wrote: > > > > > > I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and > > > finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting > > > support from some larger entities. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Randy > > > > > > > > > > > > Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. > > > (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > > > > > > >> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a > space > > > > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > > > > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > > > > place with three or so classrooms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- -------> Dive to Live, Live to Dive <------- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I am also interested and would be more interested in a middle east coast venue, but Chicago is fine. Of course, like the rest, I would need to have solid dates and prices with a decent lead time to get my employer to pay for things. The price doesn''t seem unreasonable, but may blow many a training budget. On a different note, I would be interested in the following topics: 1) Basic module creation 2) Advanced module creation 3) Handling diverse networks (tons of different systems without pulling your hair out) 4) Maintainable manifests (how do I hand this over to other people without them staring at me like I sprouted horns) 5) Adding custom types 6) Adding custom functions 7) Common Puppet pitfalls 8) Securing Puppet installs Thanks, Trevor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Nicolas, Thank you for the offer! I will keep you posted as things progress and may take you up on this. Again, thank you. -j On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Nicolas Arias <nicoarias@gmail.com> wrote:> Hello List. > > First of all, ahoi there, this is my first message to the list. > > Second, since i live in Argentina, is kind of difficult for me to be > there, but if you need webspace or any kind of service on internet, i have a > server in usa that i can share. > > > cheers! > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Paul Lathrop <paul@tertiusfamily.net> > wrote: > > > > > Jason, > > > > Thanks for taking point. I''m willing to help where I have time. I''ll > > see if I can''t round up some funding as well. > > > > I''d be interested in all three of the items you mentioned, in the > > order: training, development, knowledge transfer. > > > > Feel free to contact me off-list as needed. > > > > --Paul > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Jason Aras <jason.aras@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > So Gang, > > > > > > I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized > > in the > > > bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do we want? > > > training? some knowledge transfer? a development track for puppet > > > hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having their company > > sponsor > > > a meal, or send along some money to help pay for getting Luke and > > others to > > > the conf that would be sweet. I want to make the conference as > > cheep as > > > possible for the community. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. So > > if > > > anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can start > > getting > > > things hammered down. > > > > > > -j > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Randy Bias <randyb@neotactics.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and > > > > finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting > > > > support from some larger entities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Randy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. > > > > (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a > > space > > > > > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of the > > > > > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need some > > > > > place with three or so classrooms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -------> Dive to Live, Live to Dive <------- > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sounds awesome but I''d personally object to having to run VMware since its license is freedom-restricting. If that requirement could be removed, I''d seriously consider making my way over there. Best, Adam On Mar 21, 2:33 am, Luke Kanies <l...@madstop.com> wrote:> Hi all, > > I''m going to start semi-regular Puppet training classes, probably > following the standard 3/2 format, with the first three days focused > on introductory stuff and more advanced work in the latter two days. > > Is there enough demand to support development of these classes? If so, > is there enough demand to have between, say, 3 and 12 a year, assuming > a 10 person minimum and 20-25 person maximum? > > I''d like to hold the first class in late May or early June, but I''d > require at least 10 committed attendees for it, and I think I''d keep > this class to a maximum of 15, since it will be the first one. (In > this case, "committed" means "I received your check"). This first > class would be pretty ad-hoc, and would go a long way toward defining > what the rest of the classes would look like, You could expect a lot > more personal attention, but a bit less organization. > > Based on no community feedback, I''ve been thinking of having the first > class in Chicago, for the simple expedient that it''s in the middle of > the US (where I expect most of the demand to be) and it has a tier 1 > airport. If it turns out that the vast majority of the attendees want > a specific side of the US (or even in another country), then we can > negotiate location. > > I''m also planning to offer these classes on-site just about anywhere > in the world (although the further I got from my home, the more I''d > charge), so if you need a team trained up, send me a note. > > Here''s what I''m thinking for details: > > * Attendees must bring their own laptops for testing, running VMWare > (should I support additional VM types?). I''ll provide a VM running a > standard OS, probably Debian or Ubuntu, but you can bring your own > OSes if you want. This seems a reasonable requirement these days, and > I should be able to provide a laptop as part of the class, albeit > likely for an additional charge (although probably not the first class). > > * In looking at what others charge for training, I would probably > charge $2250 for the three day course and $3500 for all five days. > For the very first class, because I expect chaos and randomness, I''d > charge $1950 and $3200 respectively. If you think this is just > outrageous (either cheap or expensive), please let me know personally, > since I don''t want to start a pricing flame war on the list. > > * The classes would be roughly 50/50 lab and lecture. > > * I will always do my best to react to the class, moving more slowly > or quickly as necessary, and delving into side areas if it seems > appropriate. The first class will have a big impact on how I do this > for later classes. > > * The classes would necessarily spend time on related technology, like > version control systems. > > * I hope to eventually do a yearly (or more often, depending on > demand) development class. > > Outside the class itself, I''m hoping to address some of the things > I''ve always hated about training: > > * The classes would always be in town, not in suburbia. This does > increase your company''s cost somewhat, but it also means you won''t be > bored stiff hanging out at an Applebee''s. I''d rather pick a cheaper > city but stay in town than a better city but be in the suburbs. > > * I plan on doing a bit of research of what''s in the area and > organizing some networking events. We''ve still got a pretty small > community, and I think it''s valuable to get what face time we can with > each other. > > If you have comments or questions that you don''t feel comfortable > sending to the list, please direct them to me personally. If you > would like to be part of the first class, or a later class, please > send that to me directly, also. > > What does everyone think? Interested? > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the > one who is doing it. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies |http://reductivelabs.com|http://madstop.com--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
shure, just let me know. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Jason Aras <jason.aras@gmail.com> wrote:> Nicolas, > > Thank you for the offer! > > I will keep you posted as things progress and may take you up on this. > > Again, thank you. > > -j > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Nicolas Arias <nicoarias@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello List. > > > > First of all, ahoi there, this is my first message to the list. > > > > Second, since i live in Argentina, is kind of difficult for me to be > > there, but if you need webspace or any kind of service on internet, i have a > > server in usa that i can share. > > > > > > cheers! > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Paul Lathrop <paul@tertiusfamily.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > > > Thanks for taking point. I''m willing to help where I have time. I''ll > > > see if I can''t round up some funding as well. > > > > > > I''d be interested in all three of the items you mentioned, in the > > > order: training, development, knowledge transfer. > > > > > > Feel free to contact me off-list as needed. > > > > > > --Paul > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Jason Aras <jason.aras@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > So Gang, > > > > > > > > I am willing to take point on this and act at getting this organized > > > in the > > > > bay area. What I want to know from the community is what do we > > > want? > > > > training? some knowledge transfer? a development track for puppet > > > > hackers?. Also if anyone has any interest in having their company > > > sponsor > > > > a meal, or send along some money to help pay for getting Luke and > > > others to > > > > the conf that would be sweet. I want to make the conference as > > > cheep as > > > > possible for the community. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Right now I have some potential space lined up but its not solid. > > > So if > > > > anyone has any thoughts let me or the list know and we can start > > > getting > > > > things hammered down. > > > > > > > > -j > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Randy Bias <randyb@neotactics.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would help support this if it were out here. Both fiscally and > > > > > finding resources. Some chance I might be able to work on getting > > > > > support from some larger entities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Randy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randy Bias, chief tactician, neoTactics, Inc. > > > > > (877) NEO-TKTX, randyb@neotactics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Doing a puppet conference/camp would also be awesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to organize one? Or even, can anyone come up with a > > > space > > > > > > for one? Based on its being the apparent technical center of > > > the > > > > > > world, the Bay Area would seem to be best, and we''d just need > > > some > > > > > > place with three or so classrooms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------> Dive to Live, Live to Dive <------- > > > > > > > > > >-- -------> Dive to Live, Live to Dive <------- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:04 PM, windowsrefund wrote:> Sounds awesome but I''d personally object to having to run VMware since > its license is freedom-restricting. If that requirement could be > removed, I''d seriously consider making my way over there.I don''t care what the virtualization is; you just need to be able to run a couple of virtual machines. -- I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. --J. D. Salinger --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 3/26/2008 2:04 PM, windowsrefund wrote:> Sounds awesome but I''d personally object to having to run VMware > since its license is freedom-restricting. If that requirement could > be removed, I''d seriously consider making my way over there.Could make Xen instances, and then copy off the disk images somewhere. And perhaps run Xenoppix on the laptops that didn''t already have Xen installed? http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/xen/index-en.html I guess a final option might be to PXE-boot the laptops into a diskless workstation state, and have all the root filesystems on a central system. -- Mike Renfro / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research, 931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---