I''m about to leave town for three weeks and my home server keeps rebooting. It''s my mail server, unfortunately, so there''s a good chance you won''t get this. :/ Anyway, I''ve been meaning to do this for ages and ages, and it''s time to finally do so. I need to move all of the Puppet lists to a public, non-me provider, someone who has real mailing lists. As I see it, the options are: Google Yahoo Sourceforge Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it) I''m sure there are others. Google and Yahoo are probably easiest, and I''d prefer to avoid Sourceforge like the plague. Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or another? Has anyone used multiple of these such that they can recommend one over the other? Thanks, and please bear with any mail problems in the next few hours. -- The only really good place to buy lumber is at a store where the lumber has already been cut and attached together in the form of furniture, finished, and put inside boxes. --Dave Barry --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com
I vote for Google... ---- Original message ---->Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:20:27 -0600 >From: Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> >Subject: [Puppet-users] RFC: Moving mailing lists soon >To: Puppet User Discussion <puppet-users@madstop.com> > >I''m about to leave town for three weeks and my home serverkeeps>rebooting. It''s my mail server, unfortunately, so there''s agood>chance you won''t get this. :/ > >Anyway, I''ve been meaning to do this for ages and ages, andit''s time>to finally do so. I need to move all of the Puppet lists toa public,>non-me provider, someone who has real mailing lists. > >As I see it, the options are: > >Google >Yahoo >Sourceforge >Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it) > >I''m sure there are others. > >Google and Yahoo are probably easiest, and I''d prefer to avoid >Sourceforge like the plague. > >Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or another? Hasanyone>used multiple of these such that they can recommend one overthe other?> >Thanks, and please bear with any mail problems in the nextfew hours.> >-- >The only really good place to buy lumber is at a store wherethe lumber>has already been cut and attached together in the form offurniture,>finished, and put inside boxes. --Dave Barry >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > >_______________________________________________ >Puppet-users mailing list >Puppet-users@madstop.com >https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
My best experiences have been with Google. --Paul On Jan 8, 2008 3:20 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> I''m about to leave town for three weeks and my home server keeps > rebooting. It''s my mail server, unfortunately, so there''s a good > chance you won''t get this. :/ > > Anyway, I''ve been meaning to do this for ages and ages, and it''s time > to finally do so. I need to move all of the Puppet lists to a public, > non-me provider, someone who has real mailing lists. > > As I see it, the options are: > > Google > Yahoo > Sourceforge > Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it) > > I''m sure there are others. > > Google and Yahoo are probably easiest, and I''d prefer to avoid > Sourceforge like the plague. > > Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or another? Has anyone > used multiple of these such that they can recommend one over the other? > > Thanks, and please bear with any mail problems in the next few hours. > > -- > The only really good place to buy lumber is at a store where the lumber > has already been cut and attached together in the form of furniture, > finished, and put inside boxes. --Dave Barry > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com > > _______________________________________________ > Puppet-users mailing list > Puppet-users@madstop.com > https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users >
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Luke Kanies wrote:> Google > Yahoo > Sourceforge > Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it)I am not fussed as long as it isn''t Sourceforge. Regards James Turnbull - -- James Turnbull (james@lovedthanlost.net) - -- Author of: - - Pulling Strings with Puppet (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590599780/) - - Pro Nagios 2.0 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590596099/) - - Hardening Linux (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590594444/) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhBtF9hTGvAxC30ARAkWaAKCxPhZWrtHGFgu/3W2JzRKb3Ay0kgCguMx6 0kQZHV4Fn6CxEU36eyC3RiM=lq4F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I like the Google groups as well. Nathan On 1/8/08, Paul Lathrop <paul@tertiusfamily.net> wrote:> My best experiences have been with Google. > > --Paul >-- Nathan Haneysmith | www.hjksolutions.com nathan@hjksolutions.com | 206.508.4759 x3202 HJK Solutions, LLC 2311 North 45th Suite 190 Seattle, WA 98103
As long as I don''t have to create a new Google/Sourceforge/Yahoo
account, I don''t care much...
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Luke Kanies wrote:> Anyway, I''ve been meaning to do this for ages and ages, and it''s time > to finally do so. I need to move all of the Puppet lists to a public, > non-me provider, someone who has real mailing lists. > I''m sure there are others.isc.org host various projects http://www.isc.org/ops/hosting . They are very clued up. other options: http://www.google.com/Top/Computers/Open_Source/Hosting/ -- Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
Thomas Underhill a écrit :> I vote for Google... > >i think the best is to use something Luke will feel the most easy to maintain, even if moving to google anything just mean to help build a monopoly and we know what microsoft led us into. I vote for sourceforge then. ( or why not Rubyforge ;) Cordialement, Ghislain _______________________________________________ Puppet-users mailing list Puppet-users@madstop.com https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
I''m not sure quite where caution falls into paranoia but I do wonder quite how much information I - indeed anyone - might be willing to pump into a system like Google or Yahoo and if being cautious about details of corporate structures could inhibit discussion. Doubtless I''ll sign up whatever solution is chosen but I certainly would feel a lot more comfortable with a nominally private hosting system where Luke and/or maintainers might have a greater assurance of security than with the corporates. Matthew ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Guardian Unlimited - the UK''s most popular newspaper website http://guardian.co.uk http://observer.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Newspaper Marketing Agency Opening Up Newspapers http://www.nmauk.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Please consider the environment before printing this email This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail and all attachments immediately. Do not disclose the contents to another person. You may not use the information for any purpose, or store, or copy, it in any way. Guardian News & Media Limited is not liable for any computer viruses or other material transmitted with or as part of this e-mail. You should employ virus checking software. Guardian News & Media Limited A member of Guardian Media Group PLC Registered Office Number 1 Scott Place, Manchester M3 3GG Registered in England Number 908396
On Jan 9, 2008 11:27 AM, <matthew.malthouse@guardian.co.uk> wrote:> I''m not sure quite where caution falls into paranoia but I do wonder quite > how much information I - indeed anyone - might be willing to pump into a > system like Google or Yahoo and if being cautious about details of > corporate structures could inhibit discussion. > > Doubtless I''ll sign up whatever solution is chosen but I certainly would > feel a lot more comfortable with a nominally private hosting system where > Luke and/or maintainers might have a greater assurance of security than > with the corporates.We have been using sf.net for eAccelerator but migrated to google groups a while ago because the sourceforce mailinglists attract a lot of spam and their web interface isn''t very usable and extremely slow. We are pretty happy with google groups. The puppet archives are public so google and yahoo already have all the data posted on those lists. gr, Bart -- Bart Vanbrabant <bart.vanbrabant@zoeloelip.be>
On Jan 9, 2008 10:20 AM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > As I see it, the options are: > > Google > Yahoo > Sourceforge > Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it) >Google is by far the best I''ve dealt with over my years of running and being a member of mailing lists. -- matthew http://wadofstuff.blogspot.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey What about berliOS as alternative to sf.net? => http://developer.berlios.de they are faster than sf.net and provide basically the same features. Greetings! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhLez1MyrzuZeshoRApaMAKCJi3b3hJPHSTT3vJqx3VAkZj7NugCeJuAc GOPSZY1A6mz/cyd0dHui3EI=z6rr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 09/01/2008, matthew.malthouse@guardian.co.uk <matthew.malthouse@guardian.co.uk> wrote:> I''m not sure quite where caution falls into paranoia but I do wonder quite > how much information I - indeed anyone - might be willing to pump into a > system like Google or Yahoo and if being cautious about details of > corporate structures could inhibit discussion.They have that info anyway: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=puppet-users+archive
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Re: RFC: Moving mailing lists soon
Rubyforge - Makes sense. Put it under either Build Tools or Systems Administration topics. Geoff Newell BarCap -----Original Message----- From: puppet-users-bounces@madstop.com [mailto:puppet-users-bounces@madstop.com] On Behalf Of ADNET Ghislain Sent: 09 January 2008 09:49 To: Puppet User Discussion Subject: Re: [Puppet-users] RFC: Moving mailing lists soon Thomas Underhill a écrit :> I vote for Google... > >i think the best is to use something Luke will feel the most easy to maintain, even if moving to google anything just mean to help build a monopoly and we know what microsoft led us into. I vote for sourceforge then. ( or why not Rubyforge ;) Cordialement, Ghislain ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For important statutory and regulatory disclosures and more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Barclays Capital is the investment banking division of Barclays Bank PLC, a company registered in England (number 1026167) with its registered office at 1 Churchill Place, London, E14 5HP. This email may relate to or be sent from other members of the Barclays Group. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Jan 8, 2008 4:20 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> As I see it, the options are: > > Google > > I''m sure there are others.How about a Usenet group, which people can then access via Google Groups if they like? I know nothing of creating new Usenet groups, or if Google Groups are essentially the same thing, however.
On Jan 8, 2008 3:20 PM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> As I see it, the options are: > > Google > Yahoo > Sourceforge > Launchpad (maybe? i couldn''t find lists on it) > > I''m sure there are others. > > Google and Yahoo are probably easiest, and I''d prefer to avoid > Sourceforge like the plague. > > Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or another? Has anyone > used multiple of these such that they can recommend one over the other?I''m not going to comment on Google as I don''t think that''s appropriate for me, but I have really strong feelings against Sourceforge too. I find it unbelievable just how long we''ve been suffering with such an atrocious interface and service. I''m not particularly fond of Yahoo for this purpose either, and it''s not just because they''re a competitor. Does RubyForge offer a good service like this? -- Nigel Kersten Systems Administrator MacOps _______________________________________________ Puppet-users mailing list Puppet-users@madstop.com https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
According to: http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/01/the_rubyforge_forum.html RubyForge offers a lot of services. We offer mailing lists, wikis, CVS/SVN hosting, project web space, file downloads, gem hosting, forums, tracking systems, and other things. Odds are if you’re involved in an open source project in Ruby, you’re using some sort of resource we host, and odds are equally good that you’ve run into to trouble with one or more of them. And then this: Mailing lists provided via a GForge version of GNU Mailman Puppet is written in Ruby, so I think that this qualifies the project for these services if that is the direction Luke chooses to go. ---- Original message ---->Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:20:58 -0800 >From: "Nigel Kersten" <nigelk@google.com> >Subject: Re: [Puppet-users] RFC: Moving mailing lists soon >To: "Puppet User Discussion" <puppet-users@madstop.com> > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:20 PM, Luke Kanies > <luke@madstop.com> wrote: > > As I see it, the options are: > > Google > Yahoo > Sourceforge > Launchpad (maybe? i couldn't find lists on it) > > I'm sure there are others. > > Google and Yahoo are probably easiest, and I'd > prefer to avoid > Sourceforge like the plague. > > Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or > another? Has anyone > used multiple of these such that they can > recommend one over the other? > > I'm not going to comment on Google as I don't think > that's appropriate for me, but I have really strong > feelings against Sourceforge too. I find it > unbelievable just how long we've been suffering with > such an atrocious interface and service. > I'm not particularly fond of Yahoo for this purpose > either, and it's not just because they're a > competitor. > > Does RubyForge offer a good service like this? > > -- > Nigel Kersten > Systems Administrator > MacOps >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Puppet-users mailing list >Puppet-users@madstop.com >https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users_______________________________________________ Puppet-users mailing list Puppet-users@madstop.com https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote:> ''m not going to comment on Google as I don''t think that''s > appropriate for me, but I have really strong feelings against > Sourceforge too. I find it unbelievable just how long we''ve been > suffering with such an atrocious interface and service.I agree; SF is out. Can Google import my archives?> I''m not particularly fond of Yahoo for this purpose either, and it''s > not just because they''re a competitor. > > Does RubyForge offer a good service like this?RF is out too, partially for personal reasons but mainly because the only difference between them and SF is scale. -- Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards. --Robert Heinlein --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com
I don''t know why i''m the only one wondering, but... Why doesn''t reductivelabs.com host the mailing lists? A. _______________________________________________ Puppet-users mailing list Puppet-users@madstop.com https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
"Joshua Timberman" <joshua.timberman@gmail.com> writes:> How about a Usenet group, which people can then access via Google > Groups if they like? > > I know nothing of creating new Usenet groups, or if Google Groups are > essentially the same thing, however.A Usenet group is a very different thing than a Google mailing list and will reach far more than just Google Groups. However, it''s not as convenient for people to access (you need to have a news server), and in my experience isn''t great for the sort of technical discussion within a community that we have here. Wherever the mailing list is hosted, it can be listed on Gmane and hence available to people who want to read it as a newsgroup without some of the problems with making it a regular Usenet group. (I love Usenet. But on technical topics, it works okay for general user questions and not very well for development discussion around a particular application.) -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz> writes:> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Luke Kanies wrote:>> Anyway, I''ve been meaning to do this for ages and ages, and it''s time >> to finally do so. I need to move all of the Puppet lists to a public, >> non-me provider, someone who has real mailing lists. I''m sure there >> are others. > > isc.org host various projects http://www.isc.org/ops/hosting . They are > very clued up.They run a badly broken mailing list manager that mangles messages and drops attachments. We''ve had a ton of trouble with that with INN. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:54 PM, The Anarcat wrote:> I don''t know why i''m the only one wondering, but... Why doesn''t > reductivelabs.com host the mailing lists?Because mailman is a pain in the ass. It already thought of my machine as madstop.com, and it was easier to leave it at that then teach it any new tricks. It''s pretty clear that mailing lists don''t have much competition, since all of the list software seems to be, um, atrocious. -- I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. --J. D. Salinger --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com
On Jan 9, 2008 10:08 PM, Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> wrote:> > isc.org host various projects http://www.isc.org/ops/hosting . They are > > very clued up. > > They run a badly broken mailing list manager that mangles messages and > drops attachments. We''ve had a ton of trouble with that with INN.In my experience ISC is very responsive about resolving any issues you have with their services... just in case this datum makes a difference. --Paul
Hi all, I think at this point I''m leaning toward Google Groups, in the same way that I picked Git -- I don''t really care that much, and most everyone seems to be using it. The one issue I find with it is that it doesn''t have an import function, which could either be annoying or not a problem, depending on your perspective. Gmane already has all of the archives, but it''d be nice to get them into our list, too. Do any of these other list services allow importing of the archives? Alternatively, does anyone feel like figuring out how to do the imports on the lists? I''m really only worred about the -dev and - users lists; -commits and -bugs aren''t really necessary. This is the only thing I can find on the question, really: http://groups.google.com/group/pyrodesktop/browse_thread/thread/3536c6d41609d9b8 -- I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else. -- Lily Tomlin --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies | http://reductivelabs.com | http://madstop.com
On Jan 10, 2008 9:33 AM, Luke Kanies <luke@madstop.com> wrote:> > Alternatively, does anyone feel like figuring out how to do the > imports on the lists? I''m really only worred about the -dev and - > users lists; -commits and -bugs aren''t really necessary. > > This is the only thing I can find on the question, really: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/pyrodesktop/browse_thread/thread/3536c6d41609d9b8 > >I found that reference too, as well as a few "import" tools for gmail that seem to take an mbox and resend the message. I''ll have a quick poke around this morning and see if I can get some tests working. -- Nigel Kersten Systems Administrator MacOps _______________________________________________ Puppet-users mailing list Puppet-users@madstop.com https://mail.madstop.com/mailman/listinfo/puppet-users
Hi all, Just to chime in, and to support the project some more, I''d like to offer that my company hosts the lists. We''re running mailman with lists on several domains, and therefore the import will impose no problems at all. Just my 2 cent.... -- Med venlig hilsen Juri Rischel Jensen Fab:IT ApS Vesterbrogade 50 DK-1620 København Tlf: 70 202 407 / Fax: 33 313 640 www.fab-it.dk / juri at fab dash it dot dk