Welcome> I will do that, thanks.Added.> Well, This is what Sune Vuorela wrote after I suggested this on > -mentors in <slrnh169k3.720.nospam at sshway.ssh.pusling.com>: > Who is right ?We had a discussion on the subject and disagree as you can see. We didn''t reached a consensus about sponsors requests handling done for Qt/KDE/KDE-extras packages. Fortunately, the final decision will be taken soon. CC''ed -talk to get feedback from others people in the project. For the record, I proposed sponsors requests should be done on -talk mailing list. It''s a low traffic mailing list, created for packaging coordination. Ana agrees and added a [RFS] in the mail subject as requirement. Lisandropm agrees. Pusling disagrees and don''t want -talk mailing list for sponsoring requests. each involved people can (should) reply if they want to add missing bits (indeed). By the way, now you''re in :) cheers, Fathi
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 03:26:57PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote:> CC''ed -talk to get feedback from others people in the project. > For the record, I proposed sponsors requests should be done on -talk > mailing list. > It''s a low traffic mailing list, created for packaging coordination.I''m not even subscribed there? What goes over -talk that doesn''t fit onto -devel?> each involved people can (should) reply if they want to add missing > bits (indeed).Given my current knowledge about -talk (nil) I''d prefer to have everything on -devel to not need just another mailing list. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Michael at BorussiaFan dot De, Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes, Jabber: meskes at jabber.org Go VfL Borussia! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
> I''m not even subscribed there ? What goes over -talk that doesn''t fit onto -devel ?from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/qtkde.html If you want to discuss development/packaging questions with us, come around in #debian-qt-kde on OFTC, or mail pkg-kde-talk at lists.alioth.debian.org. pkg-kde-talk -- This list is a coordination channel for the KDE Packaging Team.> Given my current knowledge about -talk (nil) I''d prefer to have everything on > -devel to not need just another mailing list.what do you call -devel ? do you mean pkg-kde-extras ? My point is: this mailing list is high traffic and we missed some mails from people. e.g.1 Romain Beauxis mail on contributing packages e.g. 2 your mail about git I missed most of the request on kde-extras mailing list, so it doesn''t fit IMHO, this kind of posts belongs to -talk, which is low traffic and can be used for sponsoring requests. for IRC track record, pos agrees. cheers, Fathi note: IRC is BAD and not an option ;)
Fathi Boudra <fboudra at gmail.com> writes:> Welcome > >> I will do that, thanks. > > Added.Thanks a lot.> >> Well, This is what Sune Vuorela wrote after I suggested this on >> -mentors in <slrnh169k3.720.nospam at sshway.ssh.pusling.com>: >> Who is right ? > > We had a discussion on the subject and disagree as you can see. > We didn''t reached a consensus about sponsors requests handling > done for Qt/KDE/KDE-extras packages. Fortunately, the final decision > will be taken soon.How has this matter been handled so far? There are a number of non-DD members here. How do they get their packages uploaded? Do they all have a DD as co-maintainer?> > By the way, now you''re in :)Thanks again. This is starting to get exciting. Matthias
> How has this matter been handled so far?at least, we''re ~4 regular sponsors.> There are a number of non-DD members here. > How do they get their packages uploaded?poking on irc, which is bad (imho).> Do they all have a DD as co-maintainer?most of KDE extras packages have: - Debian KDE Extras Team as maintainers. - Uploaders contains people involved in the packaging. From time to time, some of us handles others packages if needed (eg. vac, etc...) KDE Team uses the same scheme: - Debian Qt/KDE Team as maintainers - Uploaders contains people involved in the packaging. fortunately (or not), there''s some exceptions like Modestas, he isn''t DD :( , very good skills and DM on some packages. Indeed, some packages have special treatments ;) e.g. we have sort of main maintainer ... http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/index.html is a good starting point. cheers, Fathi
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:10:21 Michael Meskes wrote:> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 03:26:57PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote: > > CC''ed -talk to get feedback from others people in the project. > > For the record, I proposed sponsors requests should be done on -talk > > mailing list. > > It''s a low traffic mailing list, created for packaging coordination. > > I''m not even subscribed there? What goes over -talk that doesn''t fit onto > -devel?Most of the time, not much. Occasionally it is used to debate a specific commit related to packaging of KDE it self and discussion of how to package KDE. (including kdevelop, basically a discussion list related to things maintained by debian-qt-kde at ldo) Recently (february, march), the KDEHOME default dir and the "kaboom" migration tool was discussed there. Twice a year, kubuntu send their diffs there for kde itself. Rarely it is used for things related to kde-extras. It is currently a very low traffic list, and currently a list that I prioritize very high in my email reading. (around same priority as my personal inbox) Depending on how "this" goes, I might need to revisit that. /Sune -- Genius, I cannot receive a e-mail address, how does it work? First of all from Explorer or from Mandrake LinuxPPC and from the panel menu within Netscape 3.3.8 you should telnet from the back-end for uploading the PCI CPU.
On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:29:58 Matthias Julius wrote:> How has this matter been handled so far? There are a number of non-DD > members here. How do they get their packages uploaded? Do they all > have a DD as co-maintainer?It varies, but usually in some way, irc ends up being involved, as I (and it looks like others have it the same way) prefer discussing some things real time, depending on the kind of adaption for sponsoring that is needed. I read debian-mentors and kde-extras, but I''m not sponsoring everything using Qt libs. Some times, I do though succeed in facilitating contact. Recently however, several "new" people in kde-extras have arrived in a different way. They wanted to help on KDE itself, and then after some time also packaged their favorite KDE/Qt using applications that wasn''t part of KDE itself. That is not the expected way for everyone to join, but it still a most welcomed route. And in general, about getting sponsors, getting a "higher profile" package in first will put yourself in better standing to get the same people sponsoring your "lower profile" packages, because sponsors have (hopefully) already learned that the work you do is most interesting. Another thing I like is that people join the team early and commits early and often their work. I find it important to try review quite many of the commit emails (depending on a mental live applied advanced heuristic based of commit message, committer, files changed and so on). I think I have written enough in this thread now. /Sune -- How might I debug the software? You should load a parallel SIMM for unmounting a wordprocessor.
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:42:18PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote:> what do you call -devel ? do you mean pkg-kde-extras ?Eh, yes, sorry, I got confused. All other groups I''m in have -devel. :-)> My point is: this mailing list is high traffic and we missed some > mails from people.I don''t consider pkg-kde-extra a high traffic list. But then if the consensus is -talk I can live with it.> note: IRC is BAD and not an option ;)Absolutely agreed. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Michael at BorussiaFan dot De, Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes, Jabber: meskes at jabber.org Go VfL Borussia! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
Michael Meskes <meskes at debian.org> writes:> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:42:18PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote: > >> note: IRC is BAD and not an option ;) > > Absolutely agreed.I have to agree here, too. This is due to the fact that I am living in a different time zone than probably most other members. Around the time when I have time to work on my package (like right now) there is nobody there. I would like a communication channel where I can let every interested potential sponsor know that there is a package that needs sponsoring. And I think a mailing list works perfectly for that. I see a couple of different possibilities there: 1. use -talk with a special tag in the subject (like [RFS]) 2. use debian-mentors, this has the disadvantage that it is more difficult for potential sponsors to recognize packages from the team if they are predominantly interested in sponsoring team packages 3. set up a special list Which option do the sponsors here prefere? How much list traffic would sponsoring generate anyway? I don''t know whether mentors.d.n has a API with which it might be possible to create a list of team packages that are waiting there. This could be a useful tool as well. Matthias