Hello all, KDE3 it''s upstream ''dead'' and KDE4 it''s the current KDE. Is it possible to let each user choose which KDE he/she wants to use? I mean, anything prevents to release KDE 3.x and KDE 4.x ? Com os melhores cumprimentos/Best regards, Miguel Figueiredo http://www.DebianPT.org
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Miguel Figueiredo wrote:> Hello all, > > KDE3 it''s upstream ''dead'' and KDE4 it''s the current KDE. > Is it possible to let each user choose which KDE he/she wants to use? >No, we ship either KDE 3 or KDE 4. KDE 3 is not fully dead, there is security support. KDE 4.0 does not fully replace all the functionality of KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.1 has not been released yet and it does not look like it will be ready on time.> I mean, anything prevents to release KDE 3.x and KDE 4.x ? >You have 2 versions of every program: 2 konqueror, 2 kopete, etc. Some distributions have handled install both version using non-standard paths, that is not allowed in Debian and usually revert the changes made too much problems. So it was never considered. Ana
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 09:05:14PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:> On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > KDE3 it''s upstream ''dead'' and KDE4 it''s the current KDE. > > Is it possible to let each user choose which KDE he/she wants to use? > > > > No, we ship either KDE 3 or KDE 4. KDE 3 is not fully dead, there is security > support. KDE 4.0 does not fully replace all the functionality of KDE 3.5.9 and > KDE 4.1 has not been released yet and it does not look like it will be ready on > time. >ah, i forgot. There will be KDE 4.1.x backports for Lenny, so users can choose install then.
Op maandag 09 juni 2008 21:05 schreef u:> KDE 4.1 has not been released yet and it does not look like it will be ready on > time.What do you know that I don''t? Tom KDE Release Team
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 09:07:41PM +0200, Tom Albers wrote:> Op maandag 09 juni 2008 21:05 schreef u: > > KDE 4.1 has not been released yet and it does not look like it will be ready on > > time. > > What do you know that I don''t? >Toma, I was talking about being on time to be on Lenny and all the work that it requires inside Debian. Debian will be in 2-3 weeks in what you would call in KDE "feature freeze". Ana
A Monday 09 June 2008 20:05:14, Ana Guerrero escreveu: [...]> You have 2 versions of every program: 2 konqueror, 2 kopete, etc. Some > distributions have handled install both version using non-standard paths, > that is not allowed in Debian and usually revert the changes made too much > problems. > So it was never considered. > > AnaIt may not be feasible and/or wished for kde but we do have sets of packages where versions coexist together, like the GNU compiler colection (gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4) on the current ''stable''. Miguel
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
2008-Jun-09 19:51 UTC
KDE version in Lenny: KDE 3.5.9 vs KDE 4.1
El Monday 09 June 2008 16:40:07 Miguel Figueiredo escribi?:> A Monday 09 June 2008 20:05:14, Ana Guerrero escreveu: > > [...] > > > You have 2 versions of every program: 2 konqueror, 2 kopete, etc. Some > > distributions have handled install both version using non-standard paths, > > that is not allowed in Debian and usually revert the changes made too > > much problems. > > So it was never considered. > > > > Ana > > It may not be feasible and/or wished for kde but we do have sets of > packages where versions coexist together, like the GNU compiler colection > (gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4) on the current ''stable''.But kde has to access .kde, and I do not think it''s a good idea to share it between kde3 and kde4. At least that''s what I understand of the problem. Anyway, as Ana says, there are always the backports. Regards, Lisandro. -- Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted. -- Groucho Marx Lisandro Dami?n Nicanor P?rez Meyer http://perezmeyer.com.ar/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/attachments/20080609/c4e11d3b/attachment.pgp
Hi, Monday 09 June 2008, Miguel Figueiredo ra??:> It may not be feasible and/or wished for kde but we do have sets of > packages where versions coexist together,You can use almost all KDE3 applications with KDE4 desktop except "the desktop core" ones like kicker, konqueror, kdesktop etc.> like the GNU compiler colection > (gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4) on the current ''stable''.Major gcc releases are done twice a year or so and gcc is part of essential toolchain so it''s absolutely necessary to support multiple versions. On the other hand, KDE major release cycle is 5 or more years with earlier version becoming dead very soon after new one is released. So it makes completely no sense to support both full desktops in parallel in the long term (neither there are resources for this task). It is pretty simple in fact: if you want older KDE release, use older distro release. KDE 4.1 won''t be released with lenny due to many reasons which have already been expressed: 1) Bad timing. 2) Nobody knows how stable KDE 4.1.0 will be and it can''t be tested properly in a such short period of time. 3) People still complain about missing features in KDE 4.1 which KDE 3.5.9 has. Well, some are valid complaints, but most are due to the fact that KDE4 is quite different experience. 4) Even if official KDE 4.1 backports are going to be available, they won''t be part of official stable release, hence there won''t be guarantees about debian stable level of stability and quality. Which leads to the last point: 5) (That''s my personal opinion). Frankly, Debian *stable* (by definition) is not and has never been a good desktop distribution for people who care about newer software. Use other branches of Debian for that (e.g. testing). -- Modestas Vainius <modestas at vainius.eu> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/attachments/20080610/e378ecf6/attachment-0001.pgp