Pkg exim4 users - Oct 2006 - FAQ related question (Exim+spamassassin)

Hi,

I''ve used http://koivi.com/exim4-config/ to configure Exim, everything 
works fine but I''ve just found:
" Installing and configuring Exim 4 on Debian. 
<http://koivi.com/exim4-config/> This document gives advice how to 
configure spamassassin, clamav and some implementation of "virtual 
domains". Please note that "virtual" is a very overused term and
you
might think of "virtual domains" as something different than the 
document''s author might think. Additionally, the documentation uses 
exim''s built-in content scanning interface to link to clamav, but uses 
sa-exim for spamassassin integration. This is double work since exim''s 
built-in content scanning can link to spamassassin as well." in 
PkgExim4UserFAQ ( 
http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-143dbe79ffa3848284fbd0b0a2bb78dae3d75a18
).

So, what is the right way to configure Exim and spamassassin? Or, may 
be, clamav too.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,
Yuriy Padlyak

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 04:57:01PM +0300, Yura wrote:
> So, what is the right way to configure Exim and spamassassin? Or, may 
> be, clamav too.
There is more than one way to do it, but I find the way described in
spec.txt chapter 40 the most comfortable. It leaves some wishes open,
but it works fine if it flexibility is enough for you.

There are also a couple of helpful documents in the Upstream wiki.

Greetings
Marc

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Hello Yura,

Yura, 11.10.2006 (d.m.y):
> So, what is the right way to configure Exim and spamassassin? Or, may 
> be, clamav too.
Disclaimer: Please don''t understand this as a "rant".

The "right way" is the way that fits your needs.

There are several means of using exim together with SpamAssassin and
ClamAV, and _you_ have to choose the one that _you_ want to live with.

If you want your system to do the job only with exim, SpamAssassin and
ClamAV, this solution (scanning is done the smtp_data ACL) might be
the right one for you.

But it''s you who has to decide...

Gruss/Regards,
Christian Schmidt

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Yura wrote:
> 
> So, what is the right way to configure Exim and spamassassin? Or, may 
> be, clamav too.
> 
My setup uses sa-exim and calls clamav directly (very similar to 
http://koivi.com/exim4-config/)

As far as integrating spamassassin with exim, using either exim''s built
in acl or sa-exim allow you to reject spam at smtp.  The main difference 
(as far as I know) is that exim will not allow spamassassin to add 
headers, or modify the message in any way, requiring you to set that up 
yourself.  Sa-exim will let you make use of spamassassin''s built-in 
header reports and message rewriting features and also includes some 
other features.

And of course, sa-exim is much easier to set up.  The main thing you 
want for proper integration with exim is to be able to reject 
high-scoring mails which both options allow, so either way is the right way.

-- 
Chris

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 04:57:01PM +0300, Yura wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I''ve used http://koivi.com/exim4-config/ to configure Exim,
everything
> works fine but I''ve just found:
> " Installing and configuring Exim 4 on Debian. 
> <http://koivi.com/exim4-config/> This document gives advice how to 
> configure spamassassin, clamav and some implementation of "virtual 
> domains". Please note that "virtual" is a very overused term
and you
> might think of "virtual domains" as something different than the 
> document''s author might think. Additionally, the documentation
uses
> exim''s built-in content scanning interface to link to clamav, but
uses
> sa-exim for spamassassin integration. This is double work since
exim''s
> built-in content scanning can link to spamassassin as well." in 
> PkgExim4UserFAQ ( 
>
http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-143dbe79ffa3848284fbd0b0a2bb78dae3d75a18
> ).
> 
> So, what is the right way to configure Exim and spamassassin? Or, may 
> be, clamav too.
> 
It sounds as if that configuration may be something you''re using
instead of the one  provided in the exim4-config package.  But if
you''re using the latter, there is a spot commented in the config for
dropping in your content scanner.

I think any kind of content scanning requires exim4-deamon-heavy
(unless you go with sa-exim and don''t use a virus scanner).

Ross Boylan

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:22:06AM -0600, Chris Purves
wrote:
> And of course, sa-exim is much easier to set up.  The main thing you 
> want for proper integration with exim is to be able to reject 
> high-scoring mails which both options allow, so either way is the right
way.
sa-exim has been orphaned in early 2006, nobody seems to take care of
it in Debian. Additionally, there does not seem to be sa-exim
knowledge on this list.

I''d like to continue recommending to use exim''s built-in
content filter.

Greetings
Marc

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Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:22:06AM -0600, Chris Purves wrote:
>> And of course, sa-exim is much easier to set up.  The main thing you 
>> want for proper integration with exim is to be able to reject 
>> high-scoring mails which both options allow, so either way is the right
way.
> 
> sa-exim has been orphaned in early 2006, nobody seems to take care of
> it in Debian. Additionally, there does not seem to be sa-exim
> knowledge on this list.
> 
> I''d like to continue recommending to use exim''s built-in
content filter.
> 
I hadn''t realised that the package was orphaned.  Considering that it 
definitely makes more sense to use exim''s built-in SA integration if 
you''re starting out.

-- 
Chris

On Friday 20 October 2006 12:35, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:22:06AM -0600, Chris Purves wrote:
> > And of course, sa-exim is much easier to set up.  The main thing you
> > want for proper integration with exim is to be able to reject
> > high-scoring mails which both options allow, so either way is the
right
> > way.
>
> sa-exim has been orphaned in early 2006, nobody seems to take care of
> it in Debian. Additionally, there does not seem to be sa-exim
> knowledge on this list.
Somebody is taking care of it now. :-)

I hope you''re satisfied with the resolution of #378732.

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On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 03:15:36AM +0100, Magnus Holmgren
wrote:
> On Friday 20 October 2006 12:35, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:22:06AM -0600, Chris Purves wrote:
> > > And of course, sa-exim is much easier to set up.  The main thing
you
> > > want for proper integration with exim is to be able to reject
> > > high-scoring mails which both options allow, so either way is the
right
> > > way.
> >
> > sa-exim has been orphaned in early 2006, nobody seems to take care of
> > it in Debian. Additionally, there does not seem to be sa-exim
> > knowledge on this list.
> 
> Somebody is taking care of it now. :-)
Not only somebody, but somebody with good knowledge. Thanks for caring.
> I hope you''re satisfied with the resolution of #378732.
Very. Thanks again.

Greetings
Marc


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