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Milan Kocian

2007-Nov-05 10:47 UTC

Problem in mailing list ?!

This is bug or feature ?! For all reply I got this message.

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From: Milan Kocian <milon at wq.cz>
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Subject: Re: problem with sftp & huawei switches
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On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 06:27:22PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
 > How about "ls ." and "ls /" ?
> 
> The problem is that the path to the top of the filesystem does not
> start with '/' but with 'f' (flash:) - I don't know if
this is a
> problem with OpenSSH or huawei software or maybe the filexfer drafts.
> I don't know it too. But winscp (in wine) works (probably it's not so
strict).

Here are commands (openssh 4.6p1):
sftp> ls .
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Can't ls: "flash:/." not found
sftp> ls /
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Can't ls: "/" not found

But 'ls *' is interesting ! (number of stat lines is equal to number of
files in
switch):
sftp> ls *
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Can't ls: "flash:/*" not found
sftp> mkdir aaa
sftp> ls *
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Couldn't stat remote file: Operation unsupported
Can't ls: "flash:/*" not found

ON switch: 

<Quidway>dir
Directory of unit1>flash:/

   1       -rw-      2450  Mar 09 2007 18:05:25   vrpcfg.def
   2 (*)   -rw-      2554  Nov 02 2007 23:11:43   vrpcfg.cfg
   3 (b)   -rw-   4833881  Feb 12 2007 17:57:46   s5600-vrp310-r1510p06.bin
   4 (b)   -rw-    801434  Feb 12 2007 18:00:02   hw-http3.1.5-0043.web
   5       -rw-    337072  Mar 09 2007 17:55:09   s5600_v408.btm
   6 (*)   -rw-   4866775  Mar 09 2007 18:01:18   s5600-vrp310-r1510p12.bin
   7 (*)   -rw-    804260  Mar 09 2007 18:02:34   hw-http3.1.5-0049.web

15367 KB total (3982 KB free)

AFTER mkdir:

<Quidway>dir
Directory of unit1>flash:/

   1       -rw-      2450  Mar 09 2007 18:05:25   vrpcfg.def
   2 (*)   -rw-      2554  Nov 02 2007 23:11:43   vrpcfg.cfg
   3 (b)   -rw-   4833881  Feb 12 2007 17:57:46   s5600-vrp310-r1510p06.bin
   4 (b)   -rw-    801434  Feb 12 2007 18:00:02   hw-http3.1.5-0043.web
   5       -rw-    337072  Mar 09 2007 17:55:09   s5600_v408.btm
   6 (*)   -rw-   4866775  Mar 09 2007 18:01:18   s5600-vrp310-r1510p12.bin
   7 (*)   -rw-    804260  Mar 09 2007 18:02:34   hw-http3.1.5-0049.web
   8       drw-         -  Nov 05 2007 04:53:34   aaa

regards,

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Bob Proulx

2007-Nov-05 16:44 UTC

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Problem in mailing list ?!

Milan Kocian wrote:> This is bug or feature ?! For all reply I got this message.
I assume that everyone who is posting a message is getting these
bounces back.  I get one to every one of my postings.  This has been
going on for quite a while now.  It is annoying.  This is not
something that you as a subscriber can affect.  It is an issue that
can only be resolved by the mailing list owner by unsubscribing that
address.

There is a user subscribed to the mailing list that has two problems.
Of course one is that their address is bouncing messages.  But more
importantly their MTA is incorrectly bouncing messages back to the
message author and not the message sender.  The MTA is ignoring the
mail headers 'Precedence: list' which should discard any such notices
and also ignoring the Errors-To: redirecting any such errors back to
the mailing list management software should they be incorrectly
generated.  The MTA is so misconfigured that I would consider
blacklisting it until it is fixed.

I also assume that there is a problem with identifying the actual
subscriber or the mailing list owner would already have removed them.
I have reported this problem to the mailing list owner a couple of
times previously but so far there has only been silence in return
about the issue.

Without VERP[1] and other techniques these problems have plagued
mailing lists for years.  I have seen people resort to sending an
individual message to every subscriber in order to track down the
offending address.

Bob

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_envelope_return_path
    http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt
    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp

Damien Miller

2007-Nov-08 00:01 UTC

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Problem in mailing list ?!

I have unsubscribed this user.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Milan Kocian wrote:
> This is bug or feature ?! For all reply I got this message.
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