With some APC rack SmartUPSes of early 2000's, as well as some larger Eaton
devices, I remember them auto-powering on the load only after they charge
"enough" (configurable in Eatons at least) to run for say 10 minutes -
so
they can tell the load to power off and hold it up long enough to guarantee
safe shutdown if another outage happens. So those do turn on, but after an
hour or so. Can this be your case?
Jim
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 19:00 Gennadiy Poryev via Nut-upsuser <
nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net> wrote:
> Yes, that one. It made me thinking there might be some sidetrick to do an
> actual shutdown.return even if it is currently reported as not available.
>
> Yes, I know all these technicalities. Fortunately, load.off.delay works as
> expected in my case, with a granularity of a second, because of course I
> live-tested it. Determinate or not, 15 seconds turned out to be enough for
> all servers to shutdown themselves so by the time load is turned off,
> nothing is working from it. That is not the problem.
>
> No, the power won't return that quick. It usually takes 3 to 4 hours.
> Local specifics, so no power races in this case. Not the problem also.
>
> I am not newbie to the Linux world as I use Gentoo throughout, but I
> wasn't able to quickly figure out how to setup upsmon(+upssched?) to
> perform the tasks I need. The workflow I need seems to be marginal compared
> to the typical scenarios. Custom solution also allows me to integrate
> things like SMS notification in the process.
>
> But once again, this is not the problem.
>
> The problem is getting UPS to turn on the load as soon as power mains
> returns. Servers will start automatically. If a way to do this with my
> model is discovered, I will modify my daemon to use it instead of just
> load.off.delay'ing.
>
> So, where do I look/dig ? Or is this a dead end and I better buy other UPS
> model with an actual support?
>
> Best regards,
>
> G.
> 01.01.2023 19:25, Jim Klimov ????:
>
> I wonder if you refer to
>
https://nut-upsuser.alioth.debian.narkive.com/Fj636tRZ/support-of-shutdown-return-on-a-apc-back-ups-cs-500
> discussion from a decade ago...
>
> Essentially, with the command you tell the UPS to cut power in X seconds
> from now (some may not support it at all, some may have effective minimal
> units e.g. some CPS use whole 30 or 60 second chunks - so asking to go down
> in 59 sec often means immediately in fact).
>
> This is a risky thing to request while the OS just begins a shutdown and
> would take indeterminate time to stop all services and unmount filesystems.
>
> Traditionally NUT "killpower" handling was injected into the end
of
> (init/rc-script driven) shutdown routine. While the drivers and upsd were
> stopped as any other services, another copy of the driver is spawned in the
> final seconds to tell the ups to cut power (on the primary server in upsmon
> terms).
>
> Often this part of code also deals with a "power race condition"
(on all
> clients) - as your systems take time to go down, wall power may return and
> some UPS models may refuse to continue emergency power off. Power consumers
> should wait "a lot" (more time than the UPS provides normally)
and reboot.
>
> Nowadays systemd allows shutdown hooks for similar effect, other
> frameworks (e.g. SMF) might not. Anyhow these tricks may be time-limited by
> the framework ("we were asked to go down, so `killall -9` after X
sec").
>
> Still, wondering what was "too convoluted" with standard upsmon?
What
> could be done better? Note recent ML discussions about `upssched` use that
> may allow for finer-grained reaction (but that is tangentially related and
> may be "convoluted" indeed).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Jim Klimov
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 10:41 Gennadiy Poryev via Nut-upsuser <
> nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all and happy new year!
>>
>> I have a server minifarm at home but it's Kyiv/Ukraine so wall
power
>> goes on and off unexpectedly quite a few times a day. What I want is
for
>> servers to gracefully start when power appears and gracefully shut down
>> when it disappears.
>>
>> To that end I've got some APC Back-UPS RS 1000, set up an
usbhid-ups
>> driver and upsd. upsmon configuration turned out to be too convoluted
so
>> I decided to write my own custom solution, since the protocol is fairly
>> simple.
>>
>> So the daemon I wrote connects to upsd and monitors input.voltage and
>> ups.status. BTW had to override pollinterval = 1 and pollfreq = 1 in
>> ups.conf to make input.voltage report input voltage in more or less
>> real-time instead of cached.
>>
>> The code logic is such that as soon as input.voltage goes below
>> input.transfer.low and ups.status goes from OL to OB the farm shutdown
>> is initiated and ups is issued INSTCMD load.off.delay command and is
>> smart enough to shut itself down too.
>>
>> So far this part of the project works OK -- the farm turns itself off
>> nicely and unattended.
>>
>> BUT.
>>
>> There seem to be lack of facility to do shutdown.return though. Still
>> have to to that manually each time.
>>
>> I've attached upsc/upscmd/upsrw outputs but so far haven't
figured out a
>> combination that might do the trick. Provided my UPS can do it, of
>> course, but why shouldn't it?
>>
>> From what I've read in the certain discussion on this maillist
that
>> occurred 12 years ago and from nut documentation I suspect the hope is
>> not lost and it is possible to somehow hack in proper shutdown.return
>>
>> But my expertise ends here. Should anyone help me run all the debug
mode
>> magic I've read of and make good use of it, my thankfullness will
have
>> no bounds.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> G.
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