Gentlemen, This is mainly for Arnaud: I have installed a version of newhidups with the !LB changes, and emptied a battery for you. After restart I watched ups.status, which again started out with ups.status containing LB, but as soon as battery.charge reached battery.charge.low (from below of course), the LB disappeared as expected! So I think my system behaves as it should! As I reported earlier, the automated shutdown sequence seems to work fine, and the shutdown.return command as defined in apc-hid.h works as expected for my device (APC, Back-UPS ES 650, 818.w1.D, w1). Thanks for the fix, AG -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Alfred Ganz alfred-ganz@agci.com AG Consulting, Inc. (203) 624-9667 440 Prospect Street # 11 New Haven, CT 06511 ----------------------------------------------------------------------