Nouveau - Sep 2025 - [PATCH v5 02/12] gpu: nova-core: move GSP boot code to a dedicated method

On 9/13/25 1:37 PM, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 7:14?PM Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf at
nvidia.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am not alone in that opinion.
> 
> Hmm... I am not sure how to read this.
> 
>> This should be first-class in a (systems) language, built into
>> the language itself?
On this particular point, and *only* this point: some time around
mid-2025, I started wondering out loud, "shouldn't Rust have some
built-in understanding, in the language/compiler itself, of the
concept of pinned memory?"

Because, after doing a modest bit of Rust for Linux coding, I was
struck by "Rust is a systems programming langauge", vs. "systems
programming often involves DMA (which generally pins memory)".
And the other observation is that pin-init discussions are some
of the most advanced and exotic in Rust for Linux. These things
don't go together.

So it seemed like this is a lesson that Rust for Linux has learned,
that can be taken back to Rust itself. I recommended this as a
non-urgent Kangrejos topic.
> 
> I would suggest taking a look at our website and the links there (like
> issue #2) -- what we are doing upstream Rust is documented.
...and my question was asked before reading through issue #2. So your
and Danilo's responses seem to be saying that there is already some
understanding that this is an area that could be improved.

Good!

I believe "issue #2" refers to this, right?

    https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/linux/issues/2

That's going to take some time to figure out if it interects
what I was requesting, but I'll have a go at it.
> 
> (Danilo gave you a direct link, but I mention it this way because
> there are a lot of things going on, and it is worth a look and perhaps
> you may find something interesting you could help with).
> 
>> except to satisfy paranoia
> 
> Using unsafe code everywhere (or introducing unsoundness or UB for
> convenience) would defeat much of the Rust for Linux exercise.
> 
Yes. It's only "paranoia" if the code is bug-free. So Rust itself
naturally will look "a little" paranoid, that's core to its
mission. :)


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard