suijingfeng
2023-Sep-05 15:59 UTC
[Nouveau] [RFC, drm-misc-next v4 0/9] PCI/VGA: Allowing the user to select the primary video adapter at boot time
On 2023/9/5 18:49, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:> Hi > > Am 04.09.23 um 21:57 schrieb Sui Jingfeng: >> From: Sui Jingfeng <suijingfeng at loongson.cn> >> >> On a machine with multiple GPUs, a Linux user has no control over which >> one is primary at boot time. This series tries to solve above mentioned >> problem by introduced the ->be_primary() function stub. The specific >> device drivers can provide an implementation to hook up with this >> stub by >> calling the vga_client_register() function. >> >> Once the driver bound the device successfully, VGAARB will call back to >> the device driver. To query if the device drivers want to be primary or >> not. Device drivers can just pass NULL if have no such needs. >> >> Please note that: >> >> 1) The ARM64, Loongarch, Mips servers have a lot PCIe slot, and I would >> ??? like to mount at least three video cards. >> >> 2) Typically, those non-86 machines don't have a good UEFI firmware >> ??? support, which doesn't support select primary GPU as firmware stage. >> ??? Even on x86, there are old UEFI firmwares which already made >> undesired >> ??? decision for you. >> >> 3) This series is attempt to solve the remain problems at the driver >> level, >> ??? while another series[1] of me is target to solve the majority of the >> ??? problems at device level. >> >> Tested (limited) on x86 with four video card mounted, Intel UHD Graphics >> 630 is the default boot VGA, successfully override by ast2400 with >> ast.modeset=10 append at the kernel cmd line. > > FYI: per-driver modeset parameters are deprecated and not to be used. > Please don't promote them.Well, please wait, I want to explain. drm/nouveau already promote it a little bit. Despite no code of conduct or specification guiding how the modules parameters should be. Noticed that there already have a lot of DRM drivers support the modeset parameters, for the modeset parameter, authors of various device driver try to make the usage not conflict with others. I believe that this is good thing for Linux users. It is probably the responsibility of the drm core maintainers to force various drm drivers to reach a minimal consensus. Probably it pains to do so and doesn't pay off. But reach a minimal consensus do benefit to Linux users.> You can use modprobe.blacklist or initcall_blacklist on the kernel > command line. >There are some cases where the modprobe.blacklist doesn't works, I have come cross several time during the past. Because the device selected by the VGAARB is device-level thing, it is not the driver's problem. Sometimes when VGAARB has a bug, it will select a wrong device as primary. And the X server will use this wrong device as primary and completely crash there, due to lack a driver. Take my old S3 Graphics as an example: $ lspci | grep VGA 00:06.1 VGA compatible controller: Loongson Technology LLC DC (Display Controller) (rev 01) 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos XT [Radeon HD 7470/8470 / R5 235/310 OEM] 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Graphics Ltd. Device 9070 (rev 01) 08:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Graphics Ltd. Device 9070 (rev 01) Before apply this patch: [ 0.361748] pci 0000:00:06.1: vgaarb: setting as boot VGA device [ 0.361753] pci 0000:00:06.1: vgaarb: VGA device added: decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none [ 0.361765] pci 0000:03:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none [ 0.361773] pci 0000:07:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none [ 0.361779] pci 0000:08:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none [ 0.361781] vgaarb: loaded [ 0.367838] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 1002:6778 [ 0.367841] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 5333:9070 [ 0.367843] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 5333:9070 For known reason, one of my system select the S3 Graphics as primary GPU. But this S3 Graphics not even have a decent drm upstream driver yet. Under such a case, I begin to believe that only the device who has a driver deserve the primary. Under such a condition, I want to reboot and enter the graphic environment with other working video cards. Either platform integrated and discrete GPU. This don't means I should compromise by?un-mount the S3 graphics card from the motherboard, this also don't means that I should update my BIOS setting. As sometimes, the BIOS is more worse. With this series applied, all I need to do is to reboot the computer and pass a command line. By force override another video card (who has a decent driver support) as primary, I'm able to do the debugging under graphic environment. I would like to examine what's wrong with the vgaarb on a specific platform under X server graphic environment. Probably try compile a driver for this card and see it works, simply reboot without the need to change anything. It is so efficient. So this is probably the second usage of my patch. It hand the right of control back to the graphic developer.
Thomas Zimmermann
2023-Sep-06 08:05 UTC
[Nouveau] [RFC, drm-misc-next v4 0/9] PCI/VGA: Allowing the user to select the primary video adapter at boot time
Hi Am 05.09.23 um 17:59 schrieb suijingfeng: [...]>> FYI: per-driver modeset parameters are deprecated and not to be used. >> Please don't promote them. > > > Well, please wait, I want to explain. > > > > drm/nouveau already promote it a little bit. > > Despite no code of conduct or specification guiding how the modules > parameters should be. > Noticed that there already have a lot of DRM drivers support the modeset > parameters,Please look at the history and discussion around this parameter. To my knowledge, 'modeset' got introduced when modesetting with still done in userspace. It was an easy way of disabling the kernel driver if the system's Xorg did no yet support kernel mode setting. Fast forward a few years and all Linux' use kernel modesetting, which make the modeset parameters obsolete. We discussed and decided to keep them in, because many articles and blog posts refer to them. We didn't want to invalidate them. BUT modeset is deprecated and not allowed in new code. If you look at existing modeset usage, you will eventually come across the comment at [1]. There's 'nomodeset', which disables all native drivers. It's useful for debugging or as a quick-fix if the graphics driver breaks. If you want to disable a specific driver, please use one of the options for blacklisting. Best regards Thomas [1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.5/source/include/drm/drm_module.h#L83> for the modeset parameter, authors of various device driver try to make > the usage not > conflict with others. I believe that this is good thing for Linux users. > It is probably the responsibility of the drm core maintainers to force > various drm > drivers to reach a minimal consensus. Probably it pains to do so and > doesn't pay off. > But reach a minimal consensus do benefit to Linux users. > > >> You can use modprobe.blacklist or initcall_blacklist on the kernel >> command line. >> > There are some cases where the modprobe.blacklist doesn't works, > I have come cross several time during the past. > Because the device selected by the VGAARB is device-level thing, > it is not the driver's problem. > > Sometimes when VGAARB has a bug, it will select a wrong device as primary. > And the X server will use this wrong device as primary and completely crash > there, due to lack a driver. Take my old S3 Graphics as an example: > > $ lspci | grep VGA > > ?00:06.1 VGA compatible controller: Loongson Technology LLC DC (Display > Controller) (rev 01) > ?03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. > [AMD/ATI] Caicos XT [Radeon HD 7470/8470 / R5 235/310 OEM] > ?07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Graphics Ltd. Device 9070 (rev 01) > ?08:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Graphics Ltd. Device 9070 (rev 01) > > Before apply this patch: > > [??? 0.361748] pci 0000:00:06.1: vgaarb: setting as boot VGA device > [??? 0.361753] pci 0000:00:06.1: vgaarb: VGA device added: > decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none > [??? 0.361765] pci 0000:03:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: > decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none > [??? 0.361773] pci 0000:07:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: > decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none > [??? 0.361779] pci 0000:08:00.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: > decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none > [??? 0.361781] vgaarb: loaded > [??? 0.367838] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 1002:6778 > [??? 0.367841] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 5333:9070 > [??? 0.367843] pci 0000:00:06.1: Overriding boot device as 5333:9070 > > > For known reason, one of my system select the S3 Graphics as primary GPU. > But this S3 Graphics not even have a decent drm upstream driver yet. > Under such a case, I begin to believe that only the device who has a > driver deserve the primary. > > Under such a condition, I want to reboot and enter the graphic environment > with other working video cards. Either platform integrated and discrete > GPU. > This don't means I should compromise by?un-mount the S3 graphics card from > the motherboard, this also don't means that I should update my BIOS > setting. > As sometimes, the BIOS is more worse. > > With this series applied, all I need to do is to reboot the computer and > pass a command line. By force override another video card (who has a > decent driver support) as primary, I'm able to do the debugging under > graphic environment. I would like to examine what's wrong with the vgaarb > on a specific platform under X server graphic environment. > > Probably try compile a driver for this card and see it works, simply reboot > without the need to change anything. It is so efficient. So this is > probably > the second usage of my patch. It hand the right of control back to the > graphic developer. > >-- Thomas Zimmermann Graphics Driver Developer SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstrasse 146, 90461 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman HRB 36809 (AG Nuernberg) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 840 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/attachments/20230906/3115b56c/attachment.sig>