Nouveau - Mar 2023 - [PATCH drm-next v2 00/16] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI

Hi Danilo,

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:44:06 +0100
Danilo Krummrich <dakr at redhat.com> wrote:
> Changes in V2:
> =============>   Nouveau:
>     - Reworked the Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI to avoid memory allocations in
fence
>       signalling critical sections. Updates to the VA space are split up in
three
>       separate stages, where only the 2. stage executes in a fence
signalling
>       critical section:
> 
>         1. update the VA space, allocate new structures and page tables
Sorry for the silly question, but I didn't find where the page tables
pre-allocation happens. Mind pointing it to me? It's also unclear when
this step happens. Is this at bind-job submission time, when the job is
not necessarily ready to run, potentially waiting for other deps to be
signaled. Or is it done when all deps are met, as an extra step before
jumping to step 2. If that's the former, then I don't see how the VA
space update can happen, since the bind-job might depend on other
bind-jobs modifying the same portion of the VA space (unbind ops might
lead to intermediate page table levels disappearing while we were
waiting for deps). If it's the latter, I wonder why this is not
considered as an allocation in the fence signaling path (for the
bind-job out-fence to be signaled, you need these allocations to
succeed, unless failing to allocate page-tables is considered like a HW
misbehavior and the fence is signaled with an error in that case).

Note that I'm not familiar at all with Nouveau or TTM, and it might
be something that's solved by another component, or I'm just
misunderstanding how the whole thing is supposed to work. This being
said, I'd really like to implement a VM_BIND-like uAPI in pancsf using
the gpuva_manager infra you're proposing here, so please bare with me
:-).
>         2. (un-)map the requested memory bindings
>         3. free structures and page tables
> 
>     - Separated generic job scheduler code from specific job
implementations.
>     - Separated the EXEC and VM_BIND implementation of the UAPI.
>     - Reworked the locking parts of the nvkm/vmm RAW interface, such that
>       (un-)map operations can be executed in fence signalling critical
sections.
> 
Regards,

Boris

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 10:12:43 +0100
Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon at collabora.com> wrote:
> Hi Danilo,
> 
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:44:06 +0100
> Danilo Krummrich <dakr at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Changes in V2:
> > =============> >   Nouveau:
> >     - Reworked the Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI to avoid memory allocations in
fence
> >       signalling critical sections. Updates to the VA space are split
up in three
> >       separate stages, where only the 2. stage executes in a fence
signalling
> >       critical section:
> > 
> >         1. update the VA space, allocate new structures and page
tables
> 
> Sorry for the silly question, but I didn't find where the page tables
> pre-allocation happens. Mind pointing it to me? It's also unclear when
> this step happens. Is this at bind-job submission time, when the job is
> not necessarily ready to run, potentially waiting for other deps to be
> signaled. Or is it done when all deps are met, as an extra step before
> jumping to step 2. If that's the former, then I don't see how the
VA
> space update can happen, since the bind-job might depend on other
> bind-jobs modifying the same portion of the VA space (unbind ops might
> lead to intermediate page table levels disappearing while we were
> waiting for deps). If it's the latter, I wonder why this is not
> considered as an allocation in the fence signaling path (for the
> bind-job out-fence to be signaled, you need these allocations to
> succeed, unless failing to allocate page-tables is considered like a HW
> misbehavior and the fence is signaled with an error in that case).
Ok, so I just noticed you only have one bind queue per drm_file
(cli->sched_entity), and jobs are executed in-order on a given queue,
so I guess that allows you to modify the VA space at submit time
without risking any modifications to the VA space coming from other
bind-queues targeting the same VM. And, if I'm correct, synchronous
bind/unbind ops take the same path, so no risk for those to modify the
VA space either (just wonder if it's a good thing to have to sync
bind/unbind operations waiting on async ones, but that's a different
topic).
> 
> Note that I'm not familiar at all with Nouveau or TTM, and it might
> be something that's solved by another component, or I'm just
> misunderstanding how the whole thing is supposed to work. This being
> said, I'd really like to implement a VM_BIND-like uAPI in pancsf using
> the gpuva_manager infra you're proposing here, so please bare with me
> :-).
> 
> >         2. (un-)map the requested memory bindings
> >         3. free structures and page tables
> > 
> >     - Separated generic job scheduler code from specific job
implementations.
> >     - Separated the EXEC and VM_BIND implementation of the UAPI.
> >     - Reworked the locking parts of the nvkm/vmm RAW interface, such
that
> >       (un-)map operations can be executed in fence signalling critical
sections.
> >   
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Boris
>

Hi Boris,

On 3/9/23 10:48, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 10:12:43 +0100
> Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon at collabora.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Danilo,
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:44:06 +0100
>> Danilo Krummrich <dakr at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Changes in V2:
>>> =============>>>    Nouveau:
>>>      - Reworked the Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI to avoid memory
allocations in fence
>>>        signalling critical sections. Updates to the VA space are
split up in three
>>>        separate stages, where only the 2. stage executes in a fence
signalling
>>>        critical section:
>>>
>>>          1. update the VA space, allocate new structures and page
tables
>>
>> Sorry for the silly question, but I didn't find where the page
tables
>> pre-allocation happens. Mind pointing it to me? It's also unclear
when
>> this step happens. Is this at bind-job submission time, when the job is
>> not necessarily ready to run, potentially waiting for other deps to be
>> signaled. Or is it done when all deps are met, as an extra step before
>> jumping to step 2. If that's the former, then I don't see how
the VA
>> space update can happen, since the bind-job might depend on other
>> bind-jobs modifying the same portion of the VA space (unbind ops might
>> lead to intermediate page table levels disappearing while we were
>> waiting for deps). If it's the latter, I wonder why this is not
>> considered as an allocation in the fence signaling path (for the
>> bind-job out-fence to be signaled, you need these allocations to
>> succeed, unless failing to allocate page-tables is considered like a HW
>> misbehavior and the fence is signaled with an error in that case).
> 
> Ok, so I just noticed you only have one bind queue per drm_file
> (cli->sched_entity), and jobs are executed in-order on a given queue,
> so I guess that allows you to modify the VA space at submit time
> without risking any modifications to the VA space coming from other
> bind-queues targeting the same VM. And, if I'm correct, synchronous
> bind/unbind ops take the same path, so no risk for those to modify the
> VA space either (just wonder if it's a good thing to have to sync
> bind/unbind operations waiting on async ones, but that's a different
> topic).
Yes, that's all correct.

The page table allocation happens through nouveau_uvmm_vmm_get() which 
either allocates the corresponding page tables or increases the 
reference count, in case they already exist, accordingly.
The call goes all the way through nvif into the nvkm layer (not the 
easiest to follow the call chain) and ends up in nvkm_vmm_ptes_get().

There are multiple reasons for updating the VA space at submit time in 
Nouveau.

1) Subsequent EXEC ioctl() calls would need to wait for the bind jobs 
they depend on within the ioctl() rather than in the scheduler queue, 
because at the point of time where the ioctl() happens the VA space 
wouldn't be up-to-date.

2) Let's assume a new mapping is requested and within it's range other 
mappings already exist. Let's also assume that those existing mappings 
aren't contiguous, such that there are gaps between them. In such a case 
I need to allocate page tables only for the gaps between the existing 
mappings, or alternatively, allocate them for the whole range of the new 
mapping, but free / decrease the reference count of the page tables for 
the ranges of the previously existing mappings afterwards.
In the first case I need to know the gaps to allocate page tables for 
when submitting the job, which means the VA space must be up-to-date. In 
the latter one I must save the ranges of the previously existing 
mappings somewhere in order to clean them up, hence I need to allocate 
memory to store this information. Since I can't allocate this memory in 
the jobs run() callback (fence signalling critical section) I need to do 
it when submitting the job already and hence the VA space must be 
up-to-date again.
However, this is due to how page table management currently works in 
Nouveau and we might change that in the future.

Synchronous binds/unbinds taking the same path through the scheduler is 
a downside of this approach.

- Danilo
> 
>>
>> Note that I'm not familiar at all with Nouveau or TTM, and it might
>> be something that's solved by another component, or I'm just
>> misunderstanding how the whole thing is supposed to work. This being
>> said, I'd really like to implement a VM_BIND-like uAPI in pancsf
using
>> the gpuva_manager infra you're proposing here, so please bare with
me
>> :-).
>>
>>>          2. (un-)map the requested memory bindings
>>>          3. free structures and page tables
>>>
>>>      - Separated generic job scheduler code from specific job
implementations.
>>>      - Separated the EXEC and VM_BIND implementation of the UAPI.
>>>      - Reworked the locking parts of the nvkm/vmm RAW interface,
such that
>>>        (un-)map operations can be executed in fence signalling
critical sections.
>>>    
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Boris
>>
>