Nouveau - Jun 2016 - Should I expect nouveau on 4.6 to work on a GM206?

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at alum.mit.edu>
wrote:
> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at kernel.org>
wrote:
>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>> Do you have mesa 11.2 or later? GM20x support was only added in
mesa 11.2.
>>>
>>
>> I just upgraded to 11.2.  I'm getting errors like this in the log:
>>
>> [ 5383.723240] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: read fault at 0000011000
>> engine 07 [PBDMA0] client 06 [HOST] reason 00 [PDE] on channel -1
>> [007f9ed000 unknown]
>> [ 5398.722676] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]: failed to
>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>> [ 5413.722853] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]: failed to
>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>>
>> and the display output in general is unreliable enough that I'm
having
>> trouble telling whether the performance is remotely reasonable.
>
> If you're having trouble telling, that means it's not :) The error
you
> pasted is quite odd. Was there anything in the log before those
> messages? If there's no channel associated, that means that it's
the
> background copying between vram and sysmem? Not sure.
Don't get too excited yet.  In the process of upgrading mesa, I
managed to boot 4.5 without noticing.  I'll post back later today with
actual valid test results.
>
> Note that with maxwell we have yet to add EXA support to
> xf86-video-nouveau, so you're ending up with GLAMOR (and Ben and I
> disagree on whether EXA support should be added in the first place).
> There was also an issue that glamor was hitting with nouveau which
> appears to have dissipated, either due to a change in nouveau or a
> change in glamor. So you might consider upgrading to Xorg 1.18.3 (as
> glamor is part of X).
>
> FWIW a few other people have been using GM20x without incident, but
> this can all be very sensitive to your desktop/etc. Lots of things
> like to use GL nowadays - I stick to a more classic desktop - no
> compositor, simple window manager, etc.
This is GNOME 3 on Fedora 24 Beta.

--Andy

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at kernel.org>
wrote:
> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at
kernel.org> wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>> Do you have mesa 11.2 or later? GM20x support was only added in
mesa 11.2.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to 11.2.  I'm getting errors like this in the
log:
>>>
>>> [ 5383.723240] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: read fault at 0000011000
>>> engine 07 [PBDMA0] client 06 [HOST] reason 00 [PDE] on channel -1
>>> [007f9ed000 unknown]
>>> [ 5398.722676] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]: failed
to
>>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>>> [ 5413.722853] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]: failed
to
>>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>>>
>>> and the display output in general is unreliable enough that I'm
having
>>> trouble telling whether the performance is remotely reasonable.
>>
>> If you're having trouble telling, that means it's not :) The
error you
>> pasted is quite odd. Was there anything in the log before those
>> messages? If there's no channel associated, that means that
it's the
>> background copying between vram and sysmem? Not sure.
>
> Don't get too excited yet.  In the process of upgrading mesa, I
> managed to boot 4.5 without noticing.  I'll post back later today with
> actual valid test results.
>
I replaced the monitor (turns out that my monitor had a known DP
problem), and now the screen lights up reliably.  I still get
occasional log lines like this:

[Jun26 09:25] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: FB_FLUSH_TIMEOUT
[Jun26 09:30] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: FB_FLUSH_TIMEOUT
[Jun26 09:32] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: CHSW_ERROR 00000004
[  +0.000162] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: CHSW_ERROR 00000005
[Jun26 09:46] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0f44: link
training failed
[  +0.107894] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0f44: link
training failed

but they aren't causing an obvious problem.
>>
>> Note that with maxwell we have yet to add EXA support to
>> xf86-video-nouveau, so you're ending up with GLAMOR (and Ben and I
>> disagree on whether EXA support should be added in the first place).
>> There was also an issue that glamor was hitting with nouveau which
>> appears to have dissipated, either due to a change in nouveau or a
>> change in glamor. So you might consider upgrading to Xorg 1.18.3 (as
>> glamor is part of X).
I do have a serious performance issue, though: when I scroll in
Firefox (default configuration), the whole system drops to ~1fps or
less and, if I scroll enough (even putting the mouse over a simple
page like start.fedoraproject.org and flicking the wheel up and down a
few times), the entire desktop will become unusable for several
seconds.  I seem to have this problem under X and under Wayland.

For better or for worse, forcing Firefox's layers acceleration on
fixes the problem and scrolling is fast.

I have no idea whether this is an X problem, a gnome-shell problem, a
mesa problem, a kernel problem, or something else.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at amacapital.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at
kernel.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto at
kernel.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Ilia Mirkin <imirkin at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Do you have mesa 11.2 or later? GM20x support was only
added in mesa 11.2.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just upgraded to 11.2.  I'm getting errors like this in
the log:
>>>>
>>>> [ 5383.723240] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: read fault at
0000011000
>>>> engine 07 [PBDMA0] client 06 [HOST] reason 00 [PDE] on channel
-1
>>>> [007f9ed000 unknown]
>>>> [ 5398.722676] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]:
failed to
>>>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>>>> [ 5413.722853] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: systemd-logind[30778]:
failed to
>>>> idle channel 2 [systemd-logind[30778]]
>>>>
>>>> and the display output in general is unreliable enough that
I'm having
>>>> trouble telling whether the performance is remotely reasonable.
>>>
>>> If you're having trouble telling, that means it's not :)
The error you
>>> pasted is quite odd. Was there anything in the log before those
>>> messages? If there's no channel associated, that means that
it's the
>>> background copying between vram and sysmem? Not sure.
>>
>> Don't get too excited yet.  In the process of upgrading mesa, I
>> managed to boot 4.5 without noticing.  I'll post back later today
with
>> actual valid test results.
>>
>
> I replaced the monitor (turns out that my monitor had a known DP
> problem), and now the screen lights up reliably.  I still get
Great to hear!
> occasional log lines like this:
>
> [Jun26 09:25] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: FB_FLUSH_TIMEOUT
> [Jun26 09:30] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: FB_FLUSH_TIMEOUT
> [Jun26 09:32] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: CHSW_ERROR 00000004
> [  +0.000162] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: fifo: CHSW_ERROR 00000005
These don't sound good at all!
> [Jun26 09:46] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0f44: link
> training failed
> [  +0.107894] nouveau 0000:09:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0f44: link
> training failed
These are surprising if your monitor is working. Usually it means
"couldn't establish link with the monitor". Perhaps something
forces
it to retry and it eventually succeeds.
>
> but they aren't causing an obvious problem.
>
>>>
>>> Note that with maxwell we have yet to add EXA support to
>>> xf86-video-nouveau, so you're ending up with GLAMOR (and Ben
and I
>>> disagree on whether EXA support should be added in the first
place).
>>> There was also an issue that glamor was hitting with nouveau which
>>> appears to have dissipated, either due to a change in nouveau or a
>>> change in glamor. So you might consider upgrading to Xorg 1.18.3
(as
>>> glamor is part of X).
>
> I do have a serious performance issue, though: when I scroll in
> Firefox (default configuration), the whole system drops to ~1fps or
> less and, if I scroll enough (even putting the mouse over a simple
> page like start.fedoraproject.org and flicking the wheel up and down a
> few times), the entire desktop will become unusable for several
> seconds.  I seem to have this problem under X and under Wayland.
>
> For better or for worse, forcing Firefox's layers acceleration on
> fixes the problem and scrolling is fast.
>
> I have no idea whether this is an X problem, a gnome-shell problem, a
> mesa problem, a kernel problem, or something else.
I believe the issue is with GLAMOR, but I'm not sure - in my
experience, GLAMOR is slow as molasses for actual X11 ops that aren't
"take this composited image and stick it on the screen", and the fact
that you are on the lowest perf level of your GPU isn't helping your
cause. Turning on acceleration in firefox probably makes it use more
optimized GL paths than having some X11 -> GL translation layer.

If you're interested, I've a 95% (percentage made up) completed EXA
backend for maxwell, but I don't have the hw, or, to be frank, the
interest in completing it (as a result of NVIDIA's creation of these
locked down, actively anti-open source GPUs). However you're welcome
to hack on it if you like -
https://github.com/imirkin/xf86-video-nouveau/commit/abf0933a236b6069f42f86ad5b0bf5bbab28e0d6
- if you ask in #nouveau on irc.freenode.net, would be happy to talk
about what all needs finishing.

  -ilia