Hello, I created a Google Group http://groups.google.com/group/web-framework-architecture for discussing platform independent web-framework (or web-server) architectures. Everyone can agree that Rail''s style MVC design is not the end-all web development platform but merely a leap forward in our ideas of how to best work with HTT protocol. With tools like Ruby, Mongrel, and Rack, sitting down to code your own full-featured web server/framework is hardly more than a 3 day activity but throwing around API ideas is still much easier in english than in code. Perhaps we can discover a truly elegant API / architecture to construct http-based applications if enough ideas are put down for discussion. ry