Lustre devel - Jan 2007 - Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to their own list

Hi all,

I recently had to browse the archives for this list, and discovered that
the emails now being sent by Bugzilla make the archives essentially
unusable.  Therefore, I propose that Bugzilla messages be sent to their
own list, not this one.

Benefits include:

 - Friendlier to new subscribers.  I (like most people, I assume)
setup a filter to move the Bugzilla mails to their own folder almost
immediately, but new subscribers may just assume this list is nothing
but Bugzilla noise and unsubscribe.

 - Archives become useful again.

Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set to something
that makes it obvious that you should _not_ reply directly to these
emails.  I''ve seen a few discussions of bugs directly on this list,
which means that the discussion is not captured in Bugzilla for future
reference.

Comments?

Cheers,
Jody

Jody McIntyre writes:
 > Comments?

FWIW, seconded.
This is how it is done in some projects, and this is similar to
commits mailing-lists.
 
 > Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set to something
 > that makes it obvious that you should _not_ reply directly to these
 > emails.

Maybe the list could be made read-only: only bugzilla daemon can post.

Also, the message:
"Please don''t reply to lustre-devel. Instead, comment in Bugzilla
by using the following link:
https://bugzilla.lustre.org/show_bug.cgi?id=XXXX"
could be moved to the bottom of the mails.

-- 
solofo

Oh and perhaps we could ensure that bugzilla updates on this list (or an
eventual
bugzilla list) come from bugs opened for all to read - I''m getting
''access 
denied'' on some bugs e.g. 11555

	Gavin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com 
> [mailto:lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com] On Behalf Of 
> Solofo.Ramangalahy@bull.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: Jody McIntyre
> Cc: lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> Subject: [Lustre-devel] Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to 
> their own list
> 
> Jody McIntyre writes:
>  > Comments?
> 
> FWIW, seconded.
> This is how it is done in some projects, and this is similar 
> to commits mailing-lists.
>  
>  > Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set 
> to something  > that makes it obvious that you should _not_ 
> reply directly to these  > emails.
> 
> Maybe the list could be made read-only: only bugzilla daemon can post.
> 
> Also, the message:
> "Please don''t reply to lustre-devel. Instead, comment in 
> Bugzilla by using the following link:
> https://bugzilla.lustre.org/show_bug.cgi?id=XXXX"
> could be moved to the bottom of the mails.
> 
> --
> solofo
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lustre-devel mailing list
> Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel
> 
>

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Solofo.Ramangalahy@bull.net wrote:
> Jody McIntyre writes:
> > Comments?
>
> FWIW, seconded.
> This is how it is done in some projects, and this is similar to
> commits mailing-lists.
I agree. lustre-devel is way too noisy with the bugzilla chatter 
intermixed with discussions.

/Nikke
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Niklas Edmundsson wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Solofo.Ramangalahy@bull.net wrote:
>
>> Jody McIntyre writes:
>> > Comments?
>>
>> FWIW, seconded.
>> This is how it is done in some projects, and this is similar to
>> commits mailing-lists.
>
> I agree. lustre-devel is way too noisy with the bugzilla chatter 
> intermixed with discussions.
>
> /Nikke
You get my vote for a separate list as well.

Nic

My vote is separate list as well..

Evan 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com 
> [mailto:lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com] On Behalf Of Jody McIntyre
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:04 AM
> To: lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> Subject: [Lustre-devel] Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to 
> their own list
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I recently had to browse the archives for this list, and 
> discovered that the emails now being sent by Bugzilla make 
> the archives essentially unusable.  Therefore, I propose that 
> Bugzilla messages be sent to their own list, not this one.
> 
> Benefits include:
> 
>  - Friendlier to new subscribers.  I (like most people, I 
> assume) setup a filter to move the Bugzilla mails to their 
> own folder almost immediately, but new subscribers may just 
> assume this list is nothing but Bugzilla noise and unsubscribe.
> 
>  - Archives become useful again.
> 
> Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set to 
> something that makes it obvious that you should _not_ reply 
> directly to these emails.  I''ve seen a few discussions of 
> bugs directly on this list, which means that the discussion 
> is not captured in Bugzilla for future reference.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jody
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lustre-devel mailing list
> Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel
>

I also vote for a separate list.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com
[mailto:lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com] On Behalf Of Felix, Evan J
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:27 AM
To: Jody McIntyre; lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
Subject: RE: [Lustre-devel] Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to their
own list

My vote is separate list as well..

Evan 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com 
> [mailto:lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com] On Behalf Of Jody McIntyre
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:04 AM
> To: lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> Subject: [Lustre-devel] Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to 
> their own list
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I recently had to browse the archives for this list, and 
> discovered that the emails now being sent by Bugzilla make 
> the archives essentially unusable.  Therefore, I propose that 
> Bugzilla messages be sent to their own list, not this one.
> 
> Benefits include:
> 
>  - Friendlier to new subscribers.  I (like most people, I 
> assume) setup a filter to move the Bugzilla mails to their 
> own folder almost immediately, but new subscribers may just 
> assume this list is nothing but Bugzilla noise and unsubscribe.
> 
>  - Archives become useful again.
> 
> Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set to 
> something that makes it obvious that you should _not_ reply 
> directly to these emails.  I''ve seen a few discussions of 
> bugs directly on this list, which means that the discussion 
> is not captured in Bugzilla for future reference.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jody
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lustre-devel mailing list
> Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel
> 
_______________________________________________
Lustre-devel mailing list
Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel

I''m for a separate list as well.

simms

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Felix, Evan J wrote:
> My vote is separate list as well..
> 
> Evan 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com 
> > [mailto:lustre-devel-bounces@clusterfs.com] On Behalf Of Jody McIntyre
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:04 AM
> > To: lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> > Subject: [Lustre-devel] Proposal: move Bugzilla messages to 
> > their own list
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I recently had to browse the archives for this list, and 
> > discovered that the emails now being sent by Bugzilla make 
> > the archives essentially unusable.  Therefore, I propose that 
> > Bugzilla messages be sent to their own list, not this one.
> > 
> > Benefits include:
> > 
> >  - Friendlier to new subscribers.  I (like most people, I 
> > assume) setup a filter to move the Bugzilla mails to their 
> > own folder almost immediately, but new subscribers may just 
> > assume this list is nothing but Bugzilla noise and unsubscribe.
> > 
> >  - Archives become useful again.
> > 
> > Also, perhaps the Reply-To: of the new list could be set to 
> > something that makes it obvious that you should _not_ reply 
> > directly to these emails.  I''ve seen a few discussions of 
> > bugs directly on this list, which means that the discussion 
> > is not captured in Bugzilla for future reference.
> > 
> > Comments?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Jody
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Lustre-devel mailing list
> > Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> > https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Lustre-devel mailing list
> Lustre-devel@clusterfs.com
> https://mail.clusterfs.com/mailman/listinfo/lustre-devel
>

From: Jody McIntyre <scjody@clusterfs.com>
    Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:04:27 -0500
    
    Hi all,
    
    I recently had to browse the archives for this list, and discovered that
    the emails now being sent by Bugzilla make the archives essentially
    unusable.  Therefore, I propose that Bugzilla messages be sent to their
    own list, not this one.
    
Hear, hear.  Please move them.