Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev
2020-Jan-29 23:54 UTC
[llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes
> ... math errno ...I wouldn't recommend to anyone that they should rely on math errno (because I don't trust libraries to correctly support it). My goal here was to incorporate our existing support for it into the rest of what I'm trying to document. My understanding is that for clang this primarily controls whether or not we feel free to substitute intrinsics for recognized math library calls. I don't know if we have any code in the optimizer that introduces access to or modification of errno in the user's program. The library calls that test should always act as barriers to one another.> ideally there would be a way to support snan too. (e.g. isnan(x) cannot be turned into x!=x then)The except_behavior mode is supposed to handle this. The LLVM support for constrained intrinsics is considering all manner of FP exceptions that could be raised, including the distinction between QNaN and SNaN. The default LLVM IR definition does not support this distinction. We seem to have an issue with isnan() in clang though. If you call isnan() you get a call to __isnan() which should be fine (assuming the library does the right thing), but we're translating __builtin_isnan() to x!=x. That's not what we should be doing if except_behavior isn't "ignore".> excess precision handling is missing from this list which matters for x87 and m68k fpu support and may matter for _Float16 implementations that fall back to _Float32 arithmetic.Yeah, we don't currently have any support for controlling that, at least in the x87 case. I think our current strategy is nothing more than setting FLT_EVAL_METHOD to reflect that we might not be using source precision for intermediate results. This is something we should consider adding.> the granularity of these knobs is also interesting (expression, code block, function or translation unit), iso c pragmas work on code block level.I'd have to defer to someone more familiar with the front end to say how that is handled.> -ftrapping-math vs -ffp-exception-behaviour=maytrap is unclear.The "maytrap" setting is supposed to prevent the optimizer from introducing spurious exceptions (e.g. speculative execution) while still allowing it to optimize away potential exceptions (e.g. dce operations whose results are never used).> FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling are controlled by the c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, the compiler can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc may or may not use those, but e.g. in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no sense for the compiler to try to do anything: the mode changes at runtime, the libc macro will expand to a function call that determines the current rounding mode. (same problem arises if you can change the other modes on a per function or code block granularity.)I don't think I understand what you're saying here. FLT_ROUNDS, in particular, I thought was supposed to be implemented without reference to the runtime library. In clang we're mapping this to an intrinsic that gets a target-specific inline expansion. For example: https://godbolt.org/z/uQD-AF And FLT_EVAL_METHOD I take to be an indicator of how the compiler is handling intermediate results. -----Original Message----- From: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz at port70.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:09 AM To: Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org; LLVM Developers Mailing List <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Ristow, Warren <warren.ristow at sony.com>; Ulrich Weigand (Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com) <Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com>; Cameron McInally <cameron.mcinally at nyu.edu>; Kevin Neal <Kevin.Neal at sas.com>; Blower, Melanie I <melanie.blower at intel.com>; sepavloff at gmail.com; hfinkel at anl.gov; Sanjay Patel <spatel at rotateright.com>; Wang, Pengfei <pengfei.wang at intel.com> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes * Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> [2020-01-27 23:24:10 +0000]:> Hi all, > > I'm trying to put together a set of rules for how the various floating point semantic modes should be handled in clang. A lot of this information will be relevant to other front ends, but the details are necessarily bound to a front end implementation so I'm framing the discussion here in terms of clang. Other front ends can choose to follow clang or not. The existence of this set of semantics is an LLVM property that applies to all front ends, but the front ends will have to do something to initialize them. > > I will eventually do something to convert this into an RST document and find a home for it in the clang documentation, but I'd like to start by getting input on whether everyone agrees with my judgment on how these things should work and whether I've missed anything. > > Here's what I've got. >i'm not an llvm/clang dev, i hope this mail wont bounce.> =====================> FP semantic modes > =====================> except_behavior { ignore, strict, may_trap } fenv_access { on, off } > rounding_mode { dynamic, tonearest, downward, upward, towardzero } > contract { on, off, fast } denormal_fp_math { IEEE, PreserveSign, > PositiveZero } denormal_fp32_math { IEEE, PreserveSign, PositiveZero } > support_math_errno { on, off }note that math errno handling can be 1) errno is set, 2) errno may be set and 3) errno is guaranteed to be untouched iso c math_errhandling can select between 1 and 2, (user can or cannot rely on errno) but for optimizing math calls as side-effect-free pure functions, 3 is needed. -f(no-)math-errno selects between 1 and 3. with 3, moving math calls across errno checks or calls that set errno can break semantics depending on how libm is implemented (e.g. glibc will set errno independently of how you compiled your code).> no_honor_nans { on, off }ideally there would be a way to support snan too. (e.g. isnan(x) cannot be turned into x!=x then)> no_honor_infinities { on, off } > no_signed_zeros { on, off } > allow_reciprocal { on, off } > allow_approximate_fns { on, off } > allow_reassociation { on, off }excess precision handling is missing from this list which matters for x87 and m68k fpu support and may matter for _Float16 implementations that fall back to _Float32 arithmetic. the granularity of these knobs is also interesting (expression, code block, function or translation unit), iso c pragmas work on code block level.> =====================> FP models > =====================> ----------------------- > precise (default) > ----------------------- > except_behavior { ignore } > fenv_access { off } > rounding_mode { tonearest } > contract { on } > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > support_math_errno { on } > no_honor_nans { off } > no_honor_infinities { off } > no_signed_zeros { off } > allow_reciprocal { off } > allow_approximate_fns { off } > allow_reassociation { off } > > ------------------ > strict > ------------------ > except_behavior { strict } > fenv_access { on } > rounding_mode { dynamic } > contract { off } > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > support_math_errno { on } > no_honor_nans { off } > no_honor_infinities { off } > no_signed_zeros { off } > allow_reciprocal { off } > allow_approximate_fns { off } > allow_reassociation { off } > > ------------------ > fast > ------------------ > except_behavior { ignore } > fenv_access { off } > rounding_mode { tonearest } > contract { fast } > denormal_fp_math { PreserveSign } > denormal_fp32_math { PreserveSign } > support_math_errno { off } > no_honor_nans { on } > no_honor_infinities { on } > no_signed_zeros { on } > allow_reciprocal { on } > allow_approximate_fns { on } > allow_reassociation { on } > > =====================> Command-line options > =====================> -ffp-model={precise|strict|fast} > Sets all semantic modes as described above. > > -ffast-math > Equivalent to -ffp-model=fast. (I'm not sure that's currently true.) > > -f[no-]math-errno > -ffp-contract={on|off|fast} > -f[no-]honor-infinities > -f[no-]honor-nans > -f[no-]associative-math > -f[no-]reciprocal-math > -f[no-]signed-zeros > -f[no-]trapping-math > -f[no-]rounding-math > -fdenormal-fp-math={ieee, preservesign, positivezero} > -fdenormal-fp-math-fp32={ieee, preservesign, positivezero} > -ffp-exception-behavior={ignore,maytrap,strict} > Each of these has a 1-to-1 correspondance to an FP semantic mode. > (I think several of these should set "except_behavior" to "ignore".)-ftrapping-math vs -ffp-exception-behaviour=maytrap is unclear. (-ftrapping-math is weird in gcc, it does not handle all fp exception cases, not sure what clang plans to do with that)> > -f[no-]finite-math-only > Controls no_honor_nans and no_honor_infinities. > > -f[no-]unsafe-math-optimizations > Turns no_signed_zeros, allow_reciprocal, allow_approximate_fns, and allow_reassociation on or off. > Also, sets except_behavior to "on" for -funsafe-math-optimizations. > (Currently, -fno-]unsafe-math-optimizations clears except_behavior, > but I regard this as a bug.) > > All command line options will override any previous values of all settings they control with options taking effect in a left-to-right manner. > > =====================> pragmas > =====================> STDC FENV_ACCESS {ON|OFF} > Patch in progress. I think ON should force the following: > > except_behavior { strict } > fenv_access { on } > rounding_mode { dynamic } > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > no_signed_zeros { off } > allow_reciprocal { off } > allow_approximate_fns { off } > allow_reassociation { off } > > And OFF should set fenv_access to off, except_behavior to ignore, and rounding_mode to tonearest. Other modes should be reset to their command line defined settings. > > I don't think this pragma should have any effect on contract, support_math_errno, no_honor_nans, or no_honor_infinities. > > STDC FP_CONTRACT {ON|OFF|DEFAULT} > This pragma controls the contract FP semantic mode. No other FP semantic modes are effected. > > float_control ({precise|except}, {on|off}[, push]) float_control (pop) > Patch in progress. These are tricky. > I think they should have the following effects: > > float_control (precise, on[, push]) > contract { on } > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > no_signed_zeros { off } > allow_reciprocal { off } > allow_approximate_fns { off } > allow_reassociation { off } > > float_control (precise, off[, push]) > contract { fast } > denormal_fp_math { preservesign } > denormal_fp32_math { preservesign } > no_signed_zeros { on } > allow_reciprocal { on } > allow_approximate_fns { on } > allow_reassociation { on } > > Note, this is less than what the -ffp-model=precise control does. Should this override support_math_errno, no_honor_nans, or no_honor_infinities? > > float_control (except, on[, push]) > except_behavior { strict } > > float_control (except, off[, push]) > except_behavior { ignore } > > The MSVC documentation says you can only use the float_control pragma to turn exception semantics on when precise semantics are enabled. For us, this would mean: > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > no_signed_zeros { off } > allow_reciprocal { off } > allow_approximate_fns { off } > allow_reassociation { off } > > The MSVC documentation also says you can't use the float_control pragma to turn excpetion semantics off when precise semantics are enabled, and you can't use the float_control pragma to turn precise off when fenv_access is on. > > I believe we should follow the MSVC restrictions. > > ========================> Code-visible identifiers > ========================> __FAST_MATH__ > > This symbol will only be defined if and only if all of the following are set (before pragmas are applied): > except_behavior { ignore } > fenv_access { off } > rounding_mode { tonearest } > contract { fast } > denormal_fp_math { PreserveSign } > denormal_fp32_math { PreserveSign } > support_math_errno { off } > no_honor_nans { on } > no_honor_infinities { on } > no_signed_zeros { on } > allow_reciprocal { on } > allow_approximate_fns { on } > allow_reassociation { on } > > __FINITE_MATH_ONLY__ > > This symbol will only be defined if and only if all of the following are set (before pragmas are applied): > no_honor_nans { on } > no_honor_infinities { on } > > FLT_ROUNDS > > Should be set to -1 (indeterminable) if rounding_mode() is dynamic or 1 (tonearest) if rounding_mode is tonearest. There are values for other rounding modes, but clang offers no way to set those rounding modes. > > FLT_EVAL_METHOD > > Should be set to -1 if any of allow_reciprocal, allow_approximate_fns, or allow_reassociation is set. Should any other flags also make this -1? Otherwise, the setting is target-defined. > > math_errhandling > > The MATH_ERRNO bit will be set or cleared based on the setting of support_math_errno. Should MATH_ERREXCEPT be set or cleared based on except_behavior?FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling are controlled by the c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, the compiler can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc may or may not use those, but e.g. in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no sense for the compiler to try to do anything: the mode changes at runtime, the libc macro will expand to a function call that determines the current rounding mode. (same problem arises if you can change the other modes on a per function or code block granularity.) and i don't think it's a good idea to change FLT_EVAL_METHOD with non-precise arithmetic modes, because it is used to decide if excess range and precision is available, but arithmetic changes don't affect that. (e.g. float_t is still same as float).> > > Thanks in advance for any opinions and suggestions. > > -Andy> _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
Blower, Melanie I via llvm-dev
2020-Jan-30 22:31 UTC
[llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes
BTW There's no clang option for allow_approximate_fns; there is this option: def fcuda_approx_transcendentals : Flag<["-"], "fcuda-approx-transcendentals">, Flags<[CC1Option]>, HelpText<"Use approximate transcendental functions">; def fno_cuda_approx_transcendentals : Flag<["-"], "fno-cuda-approx-transcendentals">; Should this option be added generally for clang?> -----Original Message----- > From: Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:55 PM > To: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz at port70.net>; cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org; LLVM Developers > Mailing List <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> > Cc: Ristow, Warren <warren.ristow at sony.com>; Ulrich Weigand > (Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com) <Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com>; Cameron > McInally <cameron.mcinally at nyu.edu>; Kevin Neal <Kevin.Neal at sas.com>; > Blower, Melanie I <melanie.blower at intel.com>; sepavloff at gmail.com; > hfinkel at anl.gov; Sanjay Patel <spatel at rotateright.com>; Wang, Pengfei > <pengfei.wang at intel.com> > Subject: RE: [llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes > > > ... math errno ... > > I wouldn't recommend to anyone that they should rely on math errno (because I > don't trust libraries to correctly support it). My goal here was to incorporate our > existing support for it into the rest of what I'm trying to document. > > My understanding is that for clang this primarily controls whether or not we feel > free to substitute intrinsics for recognized math library calls. I don't know if we > have any code in the optimizer that introduces access to or modification of > errno in the user's program. The library calls that test should always act as > barriers to one another. > > > > ideally there would be a way to support snan too. (e.g. isnan(x) > > cannot be turned into x!=x then) > > The except_behavior mode is supposed to handle this. The LLVM support for > constrained intrinsics is considering all manner of FP exceptions that could be > raised, including the distinction between QNaN and SNaN. The default LLVM IR > definition does not support this distinction. > > We seem to have an issue with isnan() in clang though. If you call isnan() you get > a call to __isnan() which should be fine (assuming the library does the right > thing), but we're translating __builtin_isnan() to x!=x. That's not what we should > be doing if except_behavior isn't "ignore". > > > > excess precision handling is missing from this list which matters for x87 and > m68k fpu support and may matter for _Float16 implementations that fall back > to _Float32 arithmetic. > > Yeah, we don't currently have any support for controlling that, at least in the > x87 case. I think our current strategy is nothing more than setting > FLT_EVAL_METHOD to reflect that we might not be using source precision for > intermediate results. This is something we should consider adding. > > > > the granularity of these knobs is also interesting (expression, code block, > function or translation unit), iso c pragmas work on code block level. > > I'd have to defer to someone more familiar with the front end to say how that is > handled. > > > > -ftrapping-math vs -ffp-exception-behaviour=maytrap is unclear. > > The "maytrap" setting is supposed to prevent the optimizer from introducing > spurious exceptions (e.g. speculative execution) while still allowing it to optimize > away potential exceptions (e.g. dce operations whose results are never used). > > > > FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling are controlled by > the > > c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, the compiler > > can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc may or may > > not use those, but e.g. in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no sense for > > the compiler to try to do anything: the mode changes at runtime, the > > libc macro will expand to a function call that determines the current > > rounding mode. (same problem arises if you can change the other modes > > on a per function or code block granularity.) > > I don't think I understand what you're saying here. FLT_ROUNDS, in particular, I > thought was supposed to be implemented without reference to the runtime > library. In clang we're mapping this to an intrinsic that gets a target-specific > inline expansion. For example: https://godbolt.org/z/uQD-AF > > And FLT_EVAL_METHOD I take to be an indicator of how the compiler is > handling intermediate results. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz at port70.net> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:09 AM > To: Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> > Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org; LLVM Developers Mailing List <llvm- > dev at lists.llvm.org>; Ristow, Warren <warren.ristow at sony.com>; Ulrich > Weigand (Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com) <Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com>; > Cameron McInally <cameron.mcinally at nyu.edu>; Kevin Neal > <Kevin.Neal at sas.com>; Blower, Melanie I <melanie.blower at intel.com>; > sepavloff at gmail.com; hfinkel at anl.gov; Sanjay Patel > <spatel at rotateright.com>; Wang, Pengfei <pengfei.wang at intel.com> > Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes > > * Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> [2020-01-27 23:24:10 > +0000]: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm trying to put together a set of rules for how the various floating point > semantic modes should be handled in clang. A lot of this information will be > relevant to other front ends, but the details are necessarily bound to a front end > implementation so I'm framing the discussion here in terms of clang. Other front > ends can choose to follow clang or not. The existence of this set of semantics is > an LLVM property that applies to all front ends, but the front ends will have to > do something to initialize them. > > > > I will eventually do something to convert this into an RST document and find a > home for it in the clang documentation, but I'd like to start by getting input on > whether everyone agrees with my judgment on how these things should work > and whether I've missed anything. > > > > Here's what I've got. > > > > i'm not an llvm/clang dev, i hope this mail wont bounce. > > > =====================> > FP semantic modes > > =====================> > except_behavior { ignore, strict, may_trap } fenv_access { on, off } > > rounding_mode { dynamic, tonearest, downward, upward, towardzero } > > contract { on, off, fast } denormal_fp_math { IEEE, PreserveSign, > > PositiveZero } denormal_fp32_math { IEEE, PreserveSign, PositiveZero } > > support_math_errno { on, off } > > note that math errno handling can be > > 1) errno is set, > 2) errno may be set and > 3) errno is guaranteed to be untouched > > iso c math_errhandling can select between 1 and 2, (user can or cannot rely on > errno) but for optimizing math calls as side-effect-free pure functions, 3 is > needed. > > -f(no-)math-errno selects between 1 and 3. > with 3, moving math calls across errno checks or calls that set errno can break > semantics depending on how libm is implemented (e.g. glibc will set errno > independently of how you compiled your code). > > > no_honor_nans { on, off } > > ideally there would be a way to support snan too. > (e.g. isnan(x) cannot be turned into x!=x then) > > > no_honor_infinities { on, off } > > no_signed_zeros { on, off } > > allow_reciprocal { on, off } > > allow_approximate_fns { on, off } > > allow_reassociation { on, off } > > excess precision handling is missing from this list which matters for x87 and > m68k fpu support and may matter for _Float16 implementations that fall back > to _Float32 arithmetic. > > the granularity of these knobs is also interesting (expression, code block, > function or translation unit), iso c pragmas work on code block level. > > > =====================> > FP models > > =====================> > ----------------------- > > precise (default) > > ----------------------- > > except_behavior { ignore } > > fenv_access { off } > > rounding_mode { tonearest } > > contract { on } > > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > > support_math_errno { on } > > no_honor_nans { off } > > no_honor_infinities { off } > > no_signed_zeros { off } > > allow_reciprocal { off } > > allow_approximate_fns { off } > > allow_reassociation { off } > > > > ------------------ > > strict > > ------------------ > > except_behavior { strict } > > fenv_access { on } > > rounding_mode { dynamic } > > contract { off } > > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > > support_math_errno { on } > > no_honor_nans { off } > > no_honor_infinities { off } > > no_signed_zeros { off } > > allow_reciprocal { off } > > allow_approximate_fns { off } > > allow_reassociation { off } > > > > ------------------ > > fast > > ------------------ > > except_behavior { ignore } > > fenv_access { off } > > rounding_mode { tonearest } > > contract { fast } > > denormal_fp_math { PreserveSign } > > denormal_fp32_math { PreserveSign } > > support_math_errno { off } > > no_honor_nans { on } > > no_honor_infinities { on } > > no_signed_zeros { on } > > allow_reciprocal { on } > > allow_approximate_fns { on } > > allow_reassociation { on } > > > > =====================> > Command-line options > > =====================> > -ffp-model={precise|strict|fast} > > Sets all semantic modes as described above. > > > > -ffast-math > > Equivalent to -ffp-model=fast. (I'm not sure that's currently true.) > > > > -f[no-]math-errno > > -ffp-contract={on|off|fast} > > -f[no-]honor-infinities > > -f[no-]honor-nans > > -f[no-]associative-math > > -f[no-]reciprocal-math > > -f[no-]signed-zeros > > -f[no-]trapping-math > > -f[no-]rounding-math > > -fdenormal-fp-math={ieee, preservesign, positivezero} > > -fdenormal-fp-math-fp32={ieee, preservesign, positivezero} > > -ffp-exception-behavior={ignore,maytrap,strict} > > Each of these has a 1-to-1 correspondance to an FP semantic mode. > > (I think several of these should set "except_behavior" to "ignore".) > > -ftrapping-math vs -ffp-exception-behaviour=maytrap is unclear. > > (-ftrapping-math is weird in gcc, it does not handle all fp exception cases, not > sure what clang plans to do with that) > > > > > -f[no-]finite-math-only > > Controls no_honor_nans and no_honor_infinities. > > > > -f[no-]unsafe-math-optimizations > > Turns no_signed_zeros, allow_reciprocal, allow_approximate_fns, and > allow_reassociation on or off. > > Also, sets except_behavior to "on" for -funsafe-math-optimizations. > > (Currently, -fno-]unsafe-math-optimizations clears except_behavior, > > but I regard this as a bug.) > > > > All command line options will override any previous values of all settings they > control with options taking effect in a left-to-right manner. > > > > =====================> > pragmas > > =====================> > STDC FENV_ACCESS {ON|OFF} > > Patch in progress. I think ON should force the following: > > > > except_behavior { strict } > > fenv_access { on } > > rounding_mode { dynamic } > > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > > no_signed_zeros { off } > > allow_reciprocal { off } > > allow_approximate_fns { off } > > allow_reassociation { off } > > > > And OFF should set fenv_access to off, except_behavior to ignore, and > rounding_mode to tonearest. Other modes should be reset to their command > line defined settings. > > > > I don't think this pragma should have any effect on contract, > support_math_errno, no_honor_nans, or no_honor_infinities. > > > > STDC FP_CONTRACT {ON|OFF|DEFAULT} > > This pragma controls the contract FP semantic mode. No other FP semantic > modes are effected. > > > > float_control ({precise|except}, {on|off}[, push]) float_control (pop) > > Patch in progress. These are tricky. > > I think they should have the following effects: > > > > float_control (precise, on[, push]) > > contract { on } > > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > > no_signed_zeros { off } > > allow_reciprocal { off } > > allow_approximate_fns { off } > > allow_reassociation { off } > > > > float_control (precise, off[, push]) > > contract { fast } > > denormal_fp_math { preservesign } > > denormal_fp32_math { preservesign } > > no_signed_zeros { on } > > allow_reciprocal { on } > > allow_approximate_fns { on } > > allow_reassociation { on } > > > > Note, this is less than what the -ffp-model=precise control does. Should this > override support_math_errno, no_honor_nans, or no_honor_infinities? > > > > float_control (except, on[, push]) > > except_behavior { strict } > > > > float_control (except, off[, push]) > > except_behavior { ignore } > > > > The MSVC documentation says you can only use the float_control pragma to > turn exception semantics on when precise semantics are enabled. For us, this > would mean: > > denormal_fp_math { IEEE } > > denormal_fp32_math { IEEE } > > no_signed_zeros { off } > > allow_reciprocal { off } > > allow_approximate_fns { off } > > allow_reassociation { off } > > > > The MSVC documentation also says you can't use the float_control pragma to > turn excpetion semantics off when precise semantics are enabled, and you can't > use the float_control pragma to turn precise off when fenv_access is on. > > > > I believe we should follow the MSVC restrictions. > > > > ========================> > Code-visible identifiers > > ========================> > __FAST_MATH__ > > > > This symbol will only be defined if and only if all of the following are set > (before pragmas are applied): > > except_behavior { ignore } > > fenv_access { off } > > rounding_mode { tonearest } > > contract { fast } > > denormal_fp_math { PreserveSign } > > denormal_fp32_math { PreserveSign } > > support_math_errno { off } > > no_honor_nans { on } > > no_honor_infinities { on } > > no_signed_zeros { on } > > allow_reciprocal { on } > > allow_approximate_fns { on } > > allow_reassociation { on } > > > > __FINITE_MATH_ONLY__ > > > > This symbol will only be defined if and only if all of the following are set > (before pragmas are applied): > > no_honor_nans { on } > > no_honor_infinities { on } > > > > FLT_ROUNDS > > > > Should be set to -1 (indeterminable) if rounding_mode() is dynamic or 1 > (tonearest) if rounding_mode is tonearest. There are values for other rounding > modes, but clang offers no way to set those rounding modes. > > > > FLT_EVAL_METHOD > > > > Should be set to -1 if any of allow_reciprocal, allow_approximate_fns, or > allow_reassociation is set. Should any other flags also make this -1? Otherwise, > the setting is target-defined. > > > > math_errhandling > > > > The MATH_ERRNO bit will be set or cleared based on the setting of > support_math_errno. Should MATH_ERREXCEPT be set or cleared based on > except_behavior? > > > FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling > > are controlled by the c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, > the compiler can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc may or > may not use those, but e.g. > in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no sense for the compiler to try to do anything: > the mode changes at runtime, the libc macro will expand to a function call that > determines the current rounding mode. (same problem arises if you can change > the other modes on a per function or code block granularity.) > > and i don't think it's a good idea to change FLT_EVAL_METHOD with non-precise > arithmetic modes, because it is used to decide if excess range and precision is > available, but arithmetic changes don't affect that. (e.g. float_t is still same as > float). > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any opinions and suggestions. > > > > -Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > > LLVM Developers mailing list > > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
* Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> [2020-01-29 23:54:46 +0000]:> > ideally there would be a way to support snan too. (e.g. isnan(x) cannot be turned into x!=x then) > > The except_behavior mode is supposed to handle this. The LLVM support for constrained intrinsics is considering all manner of FP exceptions that could be raised, including the distinction between QNaN and SNaN. The default LLVM IR definition does not support this distinction. > > We seem to have an issue with isnan() in clang though. If you call isnan() you get a call to __isnan() which should be fine (assuming the library does the right thing), but we're translating __builtin_isnan() to x!=x. That's not what we should be doing if except_behavior isn't "ignore".supporting exceptions and snan should be separate as exception support is required by iso c annex f, while snan is not (gcc has separate option for snan) the assumption of the exception support should be that all nan values are qnan unless snan support is turned on.> > FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling are controlled by the c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, the compiler can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc may or may not use those, but e.g. in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no sense for the compiler to try to do anything: the mode changes at runtime, the libc macro will expand to a function call that determines the current rounding mode. (same problem arises if you can change the other modes on a per function or code block granularity.) > > I don't think I understand what you're saying here. FLT_ROUNDS, in particular, I thought was supposed to be implemented without reference to the runtime library. In clang we're mapping this to an intrinsic that gets a target-specific inline expansion. For example: https://godbolt.org/z/uQD-AF > > And FLT_EVAL_METHOD I take to be an indicator of how the compiler is handling intermediate results.the FLT_ROUNDS value can be inlined if fenv access is off or changing the rounding mode is not supported, otherwise it should expand to a runtime check which can be a libc call (which is what glibc does nowadays). FLT_EVAL_METHOD is trickier because of ts-18661, a libc (or platform) may decide e.g. not to support _Float16 independently of what the compiler is doing and that affects the value of FLT_EVAL_METHOD. in any case i think it's better if the compiler had predefined __FLT_EVAL_METHOD etc macros that a libc may use in float.h if it decides to. (in hosted mode the compiler float.h may not be used at all)
Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev
2020-Feb-12 01:18 UTC
[llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes
> supporting exceptions and snan should be separate as exception support is required by iso c annex f, while snan is not (gcc has separate option for snan) > the assumption of the exception support should be that all nan values are qnan unless snan support is turned on.I'm not sure I see the point of this. There are a few cases where we need to do something extra to correctly support signaling NaNs, but I'm not clear what users would gain by being able to turn this off separately from strict exception semantics.> the FLT_ROUNDS value can be inlined if fenv access is off or changing the rounding mode is not supported, otherwise it should expand to a runtime check which can be a libc call (which is what glibc does nowadays).I think I've been confused about what you mean when you refer to libc. I was thinking you were referring to what happened inside the math library functions. From this e-mail I think you're more concerned about what's in the header files. This is starting to make a little more sense to me now. I've been thinking about something I thought of as "what clang does" that was actually a product of the compiler and the clang header files. With the clang-compiler+clang-headers combination the current result of FLT_ROUNDS is an intrinsic that gets the actual rounding mode. It sounds like that's in agreement with your expectations, but I understand now why you were saying that's a properly of the runtime library. If glibc does what you say, someone might want to update this: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=30569> FLT_EVAL_METHOD is trickier because of ts-18661, a libc (or platform) may decide e.g. not to support _Float16 independently of what the compiler is doing and that affects the value of FLT_EVAL_METHOD. > in any case i think it's better if the compiler had predefined __FLT_EVAL_METHOD etc macros that a libc may use in float.h if it decides to. (in hosted mode the compiler float.h may not be used at all)That's what happens today in clang. Currently it will only ever be set to 0, 1, or 2. I'm suggesting it should be -1 in cases where we're allowing unsafe math because any value changing optimization renders the intermediate precision meaningless. Thanks for the continued input! -Andy -----Original Message----- From: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz at port70.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 3:03 AM To: Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> Cc: cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org; LLVM Developers Mailing List <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Ristow, Warren <warren.ristow at sony.com>; Ulrich Weigand (Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com) <Ulrich.Weigand at de.ibm.com>; Cameron McInally <cameron.mcinally at nyu.edu>; Kevin Neal <Kevin.Neal at sas.com>; Blower, Melanie I <melanie.blower at intel.com>; sepavloff at gmail.com; hfinkel at anl.gov; Sanjay Patel <spatel at rotateright.com>; Wang, Pengfei <pengfei.wang at intel.com> Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] Floating point semantic modes * Kaylor, Andrew <andrew.kaylor at intel.com> [2020-01-29 23:54:46 +0000]:> > ideally there would be a way to support snan too. (e.g. isnan(x) > > cannot be turned into x!=x then) > > The except_behavior mode is supposed to handle this. The LLVM support for constrained intrinsics is considering all manner of FP exceptions that could be raised, including the distinction between QNaN and SNaN. The default LLVM IR definition does not support this distinction. > > We seem to have an issue with isnan() in clang though. If you call isnan() you get a call to __isnan() which should be fine (assuming the library does the right thing), but we're translating __builtin_isnan() to x!=x. That's not what we should be doing if except_behavior isn't "ignore".supporting exceptions and snan should be separate as exception support is required by iso c annex f, while snan is not (gcc has separate option for snan) the assumption of the exception support should be that all nan values are qnan unless snan support is turned on.> > FLT_ROUNDS, FLT_EVAL_METHOD and math_errhandling are controlled by > > the c runtime, so a compiler has no business changing them, the > > compiler can define its own __FLT_ROUNDS, etc macros and the libc > > may or may not use those, but e.g. in case of FLT_ROUNDS it makes no > > sense for the compiler to try to do anything: the mode changes at > > runtime, the libc macro will expand to a function call that > > determines the current rounding mode. (same problem arises if you > > can change the other modes on a per function or code block > > granularity.) > > I don't think I understand what you're saying here. FLT_ROUNDS, in > particular, I thought was supposed to be implemented without reference > to the runtime library. In clang we're mapping this to an intrinsic > that gets a target-specific inline expansion. For example: > https://godbolt.org/z/uQD-AF > > And FLT_EVAL_METHOD I take to be an indicator of how the compiler is handling intermediate results.the FLT_ROUNDS value can be inlined if fenv access is off or changing the rounding mode is not supported, otherwise it should expand to a runtime check which can be a libc call (which is what glibc does nowadays). FLT_EVAL_METHOD is trickier because of ts-18661, a libc (or platform) may decide e.g. not to support _Float16 independently of what the compiler is doing and that affects the value of FLT_EVAL_METHOD. in any case i think it's better if the compiler had predefined __FLT_EVAL_METHOD etc macros that a libc may use in float.h if it decides to. (in hosted mode the compiler float.h may not be used at all)