llvm dev - Oct 2019 - An internet Forum instead of mailing lists?

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 2:13 PM Nicolai Hähnle via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>
> I wonder if mailing list archives could (or perhaps already do) expose
> an API that would allow importing past history into an e-mail
> client-like viewer, or perhaps into an actual e-mail client.
>
I know that GNU mailing lists allow downloading MBOX files for their list
archives in the web UI, and some searching around makes it seem like this
is a feature that can be toggled.  It also looks like you can wget/curl the
MBOX files directly[1] if you're a subscriber, but I don't know how the
LLVM list admin(s) feel about that.

[1]:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-October/074210.html
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Hi,

There’re many people having used mailing list for communication for
years. Mail can be simple but flexible, so it suits well for different
workflows efficiently.

Some language communities (Swift, Rust, Scala, etc.) are moving to
online forums. It helps when someone is looking for old discussion.
It’s interesting that the communities are all using Discourse, which
has a mailing-list mode. Maybe it’s a good choice since ideal forum
should be able to inter-op with mails (like Phabricator).

For now, Nabble ( http://llvm.1065342.n5.nabble.com/ ) still works for
mail archive, you can have a look at it.

Regards,
Chaofan

Hi Chaofan,

Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of Nabble. This is certainly an improvement over
the usual mail client apps. However It seems that replies through the Nabble
system go to llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu <mailto:llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu> list
instead of llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
and a registration to the former is required. Is this actually equivalent in
practice?  I am writing this on my regular email client in the usual way just in
case. Please can you clarify this for me?. Thanks

John
 
> On 9 Oct 2019, at 07:15, Qiu Chaofan <fwage73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There’re many people having used mailing list for communication for
> years. Mail can be simple but flexible, so it suits well for different
> workflows efficiently.
> 
> Some language communities (Swift, Rust, Scala, etc.) are moving to
> online forums. It helps when someone is looking for old discussion.
> It’s interesting that the communities are all using Discourse, which
> has a mailing-list mode. Maybe it’s a good choice since ideal forum
> should be able to inter-op with mails (like Phabricator).
> 
> For now, Nabble ( http://llvm.1065342.n5.nabble.com/ ) still works for
> mail archive, you can have a look at it.
> 
> Regards,
> Chaofan
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If  LLVM enabled the Maniphest application in Phabricator (reviews.llvm.org)
we could use the inbuilt discussion aspect that we are used to in the code
reviews to talk continuously on individual topics which isn't necessarily
associated with a piece of code, and you can then use the {D12345} syntax
to cross-reference reviews or {T12345} to cross-reference other
discussions, and still keeping llvm-commit or cfe-commits as a subscribed
user so those discussions also goto the mailing lists, the use of tags
would let those questions be seen easily by subscribed members of the
projects, meaning your question doesn't disappear into a black hole.

You can use the rich markup to show images and or format code snippets to
describe designs. (here is an example from Phabricators own instance,
https://secure.phabricator.com/T13425)

My understanding is that Phabricator can also be used to intercept incoming
email with the correct decorations and add it to the discussion, so those
who prefer staying in email can stay there and reply to a thread and it
added to the ui.

Its not quite a discussion forum but it would let you have design
discussions about certain long-running topics which span multiple revisions
and commits (whilst at the same time it tracks those commits that are
checked in against that topic), and it lets you email out links to previous
discussions easily.

Whilst Maniphest is sometimes used like a bug tracker, it can also supply
workboard and project management capabilities that could let the natural
sub-teams (lld,polly,clang,clangd,clang-doc etc..) show what they were
planning on working on.

If your not going for a web-based forum like discourse (which Phabricator
themselves uses), Maniphest is a good halfway house, not dissimilar to
github issues but in my view much more powerful)

Just my 2c

MyDeveloperDay

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:01 AM Joan Lluch via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> Hi Chaofan,
>
> Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of Nabble. This is certainly an
> improvement over the usual mail client apps. However It seems that replies
> through the Nabble system go to llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu list instead of
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org and a registration to the former is required. Is
> this actually equivalent in practice?  I am writing this on my regular
> email client in the usual way just in case. Please can you clarify this for
> me?. Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2019, at 07:15, Qiu Chaofan <fwage73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There’re many people having used mailing list for communication for
> years. Mail can be simple but flexible, so it suits well for different
> workflows efficiently.
>
> Some language communities (Swift, Rust, Scala, etc.) are moving to
> online forums. It helps when someone is looking for old discussion.
> It’s interesting that the communities are all using Discourse, which
> has a mailing-list mode. Maybe it’s a good choice since ideal forum
> should be able to inter-op with mails (like Phabricator).
>
> For now, Nabble ( http://llvm.1065342.n5.nabble.com/ ) still works for
> mail archive, you can have a look at it.
>
> Regards,
> Chaofan
>
>
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