Devirtualization is an example of predicting calls and is much more
easily done on a higher-level representation. It is simply easier to
reason about certain things given information that is lost during
translation to LLVM IR. The MLIR project makes similar arguments.
It would be helpful to know what's being attempted here. I'm not sure
what the (hardware?) branch predictor has to do with making decisions
based compile-time information, unless some kind of PGO is being used.
I could imagine something that takes branch probabilities and guesses
the most likely path through a function, thus predicting certain calls
will happen over others.
-David
Bekket McClane via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> writes:
> Hi PreeJackie,
>
> I still have difficulties associating ‘higher level program analysis’ with
the possible candidate functions that will be executed next.
> Call graph will definitely be your tools(and actually it’s usually not
considered ‘high level’), and function attributes might help. But AFAIC, there
is little ‘high level’
> language constructions that can help us determinate the possible functions
executed next.
> Maybe you can give us some examples?
>
> Best,
> Bekket
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:55 PM, preejackie via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for some program analysis techniques which help me to find
potential functions to execute next, from the current executing function. I want
to
> decision based on compile time information. I consider LLVM IR is too
low-level to make such analysis. So, I using call graph representation of
module. I
> figured out the probability of function which execute next based on the
branch predictor, Call instruction distance from the entry of function. I
believe that
> many attributes can be derived from higher level program representation.
Is there any similar work done like this? LLVM already support analysis for
this?
Hi David & Bekket,
Thanks your replies :)
David, Indent here is: ORC v2 JIT APIs has initial(basic) support for
concurrent compilation in background compile threads. This means we can
speculatively compile functions before they are even referenced by the
clients. In future, if the client refer some function and if that
function is already compiled speculatively we can just return the
address of function, if this is correctly done we can reduce the JIT
compilation latencies. IMO, the possible candidates to
speculate(functions) are those which will be executed next. We can use
*program analysis and dynamic profiling* to find such functions.
Three possible approaches are possible:
1. Based, on analysis from call graphs select functions to compile
speculatively with less aggressive optimization flags in background
dedicated compiler threads.
2. Since it is a JIT, with the help of dynamic profiling we can find
frequently executed functions and *re*compile them with more
aggressive optimization in compile thread.
3. With Profile-guide optimization results of previous executions, we
can find function that are likely to compile next then *compile it
with aggressive optimization. *[PGOs are app dependent]
for cases 1,2: profile guide optimization results are not used. I hope
these techniques collectively improve program execution time in
long-time. Of course, program-based prediction is not equal to the
accuracy of profile-based prediction, but in JIT it is useful to first
compile function speculatively by using multiple threads.
I have considered CFG as a higher level program representation, I maybe
wrong here.
For example:
|void f2() {}
|
|void f3() {}|
|void z(){|
|if(/some condition/)
|
| f2();f3();|
|else
|
|fn();|
|}
|
Follow the control flow of z and compute probability that one of the
paths[entry to exit] within the z that lead to a call f2, if the call to
f2 occurs in many paths, then the probability that it will execute next
is high. It will require some control flow analysis.
Challenges:
1. To incorporate speculation in ORC v2.
2. Making speculative decisions faster, hence I decide to use
simple heuristics.
If you need more information / or feeling I'm missing something, Please
leave a reply :)
On 29/03/19 12:27 AM, David Greene wrote:> Devirtualization is an example of predicting calls and is much more
> easily done on a higher-level representation. It is simply easier to
> reason about certain things given information that is lost during
> translation to LLVM IR. The MLIR project makes similar arguments.
>
> It would be helpful to know what's being attempted here. I'm not
sure
> what the (hardware?) branch predictor has to do with making decisions
> based compile-time information, unless some kind of PGO is being used.
> I could imagine something that takes branch probabilities and guesses
> the most likely path through a function, thus predicting certain calls
> will happen over others.
>
> -David
>
> Bekket McClane via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> writes:
>
>> Hi PreeJackie,
>>
>> I still have difficulties associating ‘higher level program analysis’
with the possible candidate functions that will be executed next.
>> Call graph will definitely be your tools(and actually it’s usually not
considered ‘high level’), and function attributes might help. But AFAIC, there
is little ‘high level’
>> language constructions that can help us determinate the possible
functions executed next.
>> Maybe you can give us some examples?
>>
>> Best,
>> Bekket
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:55 PM, preejackie via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for some program analysis techniques which help me to
find potential functions to execute next, from the current executing function. I
want to
>> decision based on compile time information. I consider LLVM IR is too
low-level to make such analysis. So, I using call graph representation of
module. I
>> figured out the probability of function which execute next based on
the branch predictor, Call instruction distance from the entry of function. I
believe that
>> many attributes can be derived from higher level program
representation. Is there any similar work done like this? LLVM already support
analysis for this?
--
Have a great day!
PreeJackie
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[llvm-dev] Higher level program analysis
Hi, David: Good point, it will be interesting to see speculative compilation in this context applying on devirtualization, with high level (type) information if applicable.> On Mar 28, 2019, at 2:35 PM, preejackie <praveenvelliengiri at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi David & Bekket, > > Thanks your replies :) > > David, Indent here is: ORC v2 JIT APIs has initial(basic) support for concurrent compilation in background compile threads. This means we can speculatively compile functions before they are even referenced by the clients. In future, if the client refer some function and if that function is already compiled speculatively we can just return the address of function, if this is correctly done we can reduce the JIT compilation latencies. IMO, the possible candidates to speculate(functions) are those which will be executed next. We can use program analysis and dynamic profiling to find such functions. > > Three possible approaches are possible: > > Based, on analysis from call graphs select functions to compile speculatively with less aggressive optimization flags in background dedicated compiler threads. > Since it is a JIT, with the help of dynamic profiling we can find frequently executed functions and recompile them with more aggressive optimization in compile thread. > With Profile-guide optimization results of previous executions, we can find function that are likely to compile next then compile it with aggressive optimization. [PGOs are app dependent] > for cases 1,2: profile guide optimization results are not used. I hope these techniques collectively improve program execution time in long-time. Of course, program-based prediction is not equal to the accuracy of profile-based prediction, but in JIT it is useful to first compile function speculatively by using multiple threads. >I’m a little bit lost, from what I’m understanding, you’re arguing that with the profiling data (collected from runtime), we can make more precise prediction about callee candidates executed next. But in the baseline(i.e. first-time execution) stage, these profile data doesn’t exist, thus you want improve the prediction at that stage with the help of some static analysis. Am I understanding correctly?> I have considered CFG as a higher level program representation, I maybe wrong here. > > For example: > > void f2() {} > > void f3() {} > > void z(){ > > if(/some condition/) > > f2();f3(); > > else > > fn(); > > } > > Follow the control flow of z and compute probability that one of the paths[entry to exit] within the z that lead to a call f2, if the call to f2 occurs in many paths, then the probability that it will execute next is high. It will require some control flow analysis. >Following my comment above, I think you have some misunderstandings on the power of static analysis in LLVM: LLVM of course can eliminate some trivial control flow structure like if(true) { // do something } Or if(1 + 2 < 6) For these cases, you don’t even need to analyze the probability of those branches, cause LLVM will just eliminate and optimize the entire control structures. But other than that, it’s really hard for LLVM to evaluate the probability of certain branches statically without help from (dynamic) data like profiling data or certain programmer’s annotations like __builtin_expect. The closest analysis I can come up with are probably LazyValueInfo and ScalarEvolution. You can see if they fit your need. Best, Bekket> Challenges: > > To incorporate speculation in ORC v2. > Making speculative decisions faster, hence I decide to use simple heuristics. > If you need more information / or feeling I'm missing something, Please leave a reply :) > > On 29/03/19 12:27 AM, David Greene wrote: >> Devirtualization is an example of predicting calls and is much more >> easily done on a higher-level representation. It is simply easier to >> reason about certain things given information that is lost during >> translation to LLVM IR. The MLIR project makes similar arguments. >> >> It would be helpful to know what's being attempted here. I'm not sure >> what the (hardware?) branch predictor has to do with making decisions >> based compile-time information, unless some kind of PGO is being used. >> I could imagine something that takes branch probabilities and guesses >> the most likely path through a function, thus predicting certain calls >> will happen over others. >> >> -David >> >> Bekket McClane via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> writes: >> >>> Hi PreeJackie, >>> >>> I still have difficulties associating ‘higher level program analysis’ with the possible candidate functions that will be executed next. >>> Call graph will definitely be your tools(and actually it’s usually not considered ‘high level’), and function attributes might help. But AFAIC, there is little ‘high level’ >>> language constructions that can help us determinate the possible functions executed next. >>> Maybe you can give us some examples? >>> >>> Best, >>> Bekket >>> >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:55 PM, preejackie via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> <mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm looking for some program analysis techniques which help me to find potential functions to execute next, from the current executing function. I want to >>> decision based on compile time information. I consider LLVM IR is too low-level to make such analysis. So, I using call graph representation of module. I >>> figured out the probability of function which execute next based on the branch predictor, Call instruction distance from the entry of function. I believe that >>> many attributes can be derived from higher level program representation. Is there any similar work done like this? 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