llvm dev - Mar 2016 - We really need more community involvement with GSoC

I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent storage of
message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind of thing
and
later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be aware of that,
when some serious discussion has happened during 'office hours'.

*Vivek Pandya*


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at
google.com>
wrote:
> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>
> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete proposal?
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question is too
basic"
>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM is only
one of the
>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow
knowledge of it
>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>
>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those beginner
>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about constant
>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>
>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions often
have no
>>> answers on the mailing list, any number of people might well have
replied
>>> to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful to the
questioner, and
>>> also to "maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the
mailing list.
>>>
>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or not, but
if it is
>>> then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse than a few
extra
>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>
>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help with all
this, if
>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>
>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many aspects
of LLVM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any organization.
This is
>>>> based on my experience.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>
>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I follow
most of
>>>> the thread when it makes sense to me. I have observed that some
times some
>>>> mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly novice students
and some one
>>>> trying to use LLVM in the research have many questions.
>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that working
for top
>>>> companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on IRC
same things
>>>> happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with timezone so
I get many
>>>> people to ask on IRC).
>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older mail
chains, I am
>>>> able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but some time
I just get
>>>> stuck and some times to understand output and "why it has
happen so" a
>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>
>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to GSoC but
it
>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See
this
>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC  (just
textual
>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long or so. To
keep main
>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or
slack.com )
>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so that they
can cover
>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members attends
this session
>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from participant.
This will help
>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they are not
able to
>>>> progress by their own.
>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more complex
code
>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes may save
their days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Vivek
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
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Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a community).
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent storage of
> message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind of
thing and
> later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be aware of that,
> when some serious discussion has happened during 'office hours'.
>
> *Vivek Pandya*
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at
google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>
>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete proposal?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question is
too basic"
>>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM is
only one of the
>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow
knowledge of it
>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those
beginner
>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about
constant
>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>
>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions often
have no
>>>> answers on the mailing list, any number of people might well
have replied
>>>> to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful to the
questioner, and
>>>> also to "maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the
mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or not,
but if it is
>>>> then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse than a
few extra
>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>>
>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help with
all this, if
>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many
aspects of LLVM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any
organization. This is
>>>>> based on my experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I
follow most of
>>>>> the thread when it makes sense to me. I have observed that
some times some
>>>>> mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly novice
students and some one
>>>>> trying to use LLVM in the research have many questions.
>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that
working for top
>>>>> companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on
IRC same things
>>>>> happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with
timezone so I get many
>>>>> people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older mail
chains, I am
>>>>> able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but some
time I just get
>>>>> stuck and some times to understand output and "why it
has happen so" a
>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to GSoC
but it
>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See
this
>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC 
(just textual
>>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long or
so. To keep main
>>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or
slack.com )
>>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so that
they can cover
>>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members
attends this session
>>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from participant.
This will help
>>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they are
not able to
>>>>> progress by their own.
>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more
complex code
>>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes may
save their days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>
>>
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@James
I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
consider Slack as suggestion only.

*Vivek Pandya*


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at jamesmolloy.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a
community).
>
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at
gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent storage
>> of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind
of thing
>> and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be aware
of
>> that, when some serious discussion has happened during 'office
hours'.
>>
>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at
google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete
proposal?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question
is too basic"
>>>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM
is only one of the
>>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow
knowledge of it
>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those
beginner
>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about
constant
>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>
>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions
often have
>>>>> no answers on the mailing list, any number of people might
well have
>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful
to the
>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal to noise
ratio" of the mailing
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or
not, but if it
>>>>> is then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse
than a few extra
>>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help
with all this, if
>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many
aspects of LLVM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev
<
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any
organization. This
>>>>>> is based on my experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I
follow most
>>>>>> of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have
observed that some times
>>>>>> some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly
novice students and some
>>>>>> one trying to use LLVM in the research have many
questions.
>>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that
working for top
>>>>>> companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go
on IRC same things
>>>>>> happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with
timezone so I get many
>>>>>> people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older
mail chains, I
>>>>>> am able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but
some time I just
>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output and
"why it has happen so" a
>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to
GSoC but it
>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea.
See this
>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC 
(just textual
>>>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long
or so. To keep main
>>>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or
slack.com )
>>>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so
that they can cover
>>>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members
attends this session
>>>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from
participant. This will help
>>>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they
are not able to
>>>>>> progress by their own.
>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more
complex code
>>>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes
may save their days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>
>>>
>>
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