On 16 October 2015 at 19:10, Robinson, Paul <Paul_Robinson at playstation.sony.com> wrote:> That part is cultural.It is... :)> Which ones are "will never work" and which are "ought to get fixed soon"?In theory, the ones that have bugs associated with it, which is not easy to find unless someone adds a comment with the XFAIL, which not many people do. I'm not saying it's better, I'm just saying how it is.> For the people who now get impatient with red bots, there is no barrier > to having them be impatient with orange bots. And for the people who > complain about irrelevant noise, there would be less of it, which will > make them less irritating the rest of us. :-)I honestly don't see either way as problems, so I can't tell you how much better it would be. :) Maybe you should talk to David directly. I really don't mind whatever you guys choose.> My internal dashboard has 4 values that would be meaningful upstream: > pass, infra-failure, fail, no-new-fail. Buildbot seems to have the first > three already; one more does not seem like an excessive conceptual burden.We don't have the infra problem totally nailed yet, only if the bots crash/restart, not if it's SVN or server issue. But you're right, it's not binary. I personally don't treat orange and red bots differently, for me the only colour I want to see is green. But some people complain that if they have to distinguish between different shades of red, they just won't. I find it an odd behaviour in a community that wants to be diverse and "safe", to openly state you don't care about other people's problems and think that it's the other person that should "fix", but anyway. cheers, --renato
Hello, I just added public silent staging buildbot. Everyone is welcome to use it. The web page is here: http://lab.llvm.org:8014 Any builder could be easy switched to staging buildbot by simple change in local slave configuration: use lab.llvm.org:9994 instead of lab.llvm.org:9990. Hope this could be helpful in buildbot noise reducing, but other improvements are required also. Thanks Galina On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Renato Golin <renato.golin at linaro.org> wrote:> On 16 October 2015 at 19:10, Robinson, Paul > <Paul_Robinson at playstation.sony.com> wrote: > > That part is cultural. > > It is... :) > > > > Which ones are "will never work" and which are "ought to get fixed soon"? > > In theory, the ones that have bugs associated with it, which is not > easy to find unless someone adds a comment with the XFAIL, which not > many people do. > > I'm not saying it's better, I'm just saying how it is. > > > > For the people who now get impatient with red bots, there is no barrier > > to having them be impatient with orange bots. And for the people who > > complain about irrelevant noise, there would be less of it, which will > > make them less irritating the rest of us. :-) > > I honestly don't see either way as problems, so I can't tell you how > much better it would be. :) > > Maybe you should talk to David directly. I really don't mind whatever > you guys choose. > > > > My internal dashboard has 4 values that would be meaningful upstream: > > pass, infra-failure, fail, no-new-fail. Buildbot seems to have the first > > three already; one more does not seem like an excessive conceptual > burden. > > We don't have the infra problem totally nailed yet, only if the bots > crash/restart, not if it's SVN or server issue. But you're right, it's > not binary. > > I personally don't treat orange and red bots differently, for me the > only colour I want to see is green. But some people complain that if > they have to distinguish between different shades of red, they just > won't. > > I find it an odd behaviour in a community that wants to be diverse and > "safe", to openly state you don't care about other people's problems > and think that it's the other person that should "fix", but anyway. > > cheers, > --renato >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20151016/bfa395eb/attachment.html>
On 16 October 2015 at 22:50, Galina Kistanova <gkistanova at gmail.com> wrote:> Any builder could be easy switched to staging buildbot by simple change in > local slave configuration: use lab.llvm.org:9994 instead of lab.llvm.org:9990.Hi Galina, That's good news, thanks! There's one problem that I had on my master that may be relevant, here. When I left one bot disabled for a few weeks, the number of pending commits would be huge and building its page would overload the server. If I move a bot there, sometimes (not sure why) it won't start building until a *new* commit comes in. If I hit that page before it starts building, it'll overload the server. One idea I had, but didn't do it, was to try to limit the number of pending commits (and drop the older ones). On a staging master, that wouldn't be such a bad idea, but I don't know where to change it, so I just clean it before I add new bots to old builders. Not sure if relevant, but I just thought I'd mention it. :) cheers, --renato
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Renato Golin <renato.golin at linaro.org> wrote:> On 16 October 2015 at 19:10, Robinson, Paul > <Paul_Robinson at playstation.sony.com> wrote: > > That part is cultural. > > It is... :) > > > > Which ones are "will never work" and which are "ought to get fixed soon"? > > In theory, the ones that have bugs associated with it, which is not > easy to find unless someone adds a comment with the XFAIL, which not > many people do. > > I'm not saying it's better, I'm just saying how it is. > > > > For the people who now get impatient with red bots, there is no barrier > > to having them be impatient with orange bots. And for the people who > > complain about irrelevant noise, there would be less of it, which will > > make them less irritating the rest of us. :-) > > I honestly don't see either way as problems, so I can't tell you how > much better it would be. :) > > Maybe you should talk to David directly. I really don't mind whatever > you guys choose. > > > > My internal dashboard has 4 values that would be meaningful upstream: > > pass, infra-failure, fail, no-new-fail. Buildbot seems to have the first > > three already; one more does not seem like an excessive conceptual > burden. > > We don't have the infra problem totally nailed yet, only if the bots > crash/restart, not if it's SVN or server issue. But you're right, it's > not binary. > > I personally don't treat orange and red bots differently, for me the > only colour I want to see is green. But some people complain that if > they have to distinguish between different shades of red, they just > won't. > > I find it an odd behaviour in a community that wants to be diverse and > "safe",If you're drawing parallels to the CoC thread, I don't think that's really relevant/appropriate. Safe in terms of personal/emotional/physical safety is rather different than the issues being discussed here.> to openly state you don't care about other people's problems >I've tried to clarify that it's not that I don't care about the technical problems you're grappling with/are discovered on ARM, just that the unique (not overlapping with other, faster bots) emails sent (& the red bots in the dashboard, to a lesser degree) seem to not be actionable by most contributors (possibly any other than you and a small group of persons specifically interested in behavior on those platforms - as demonstrated by multiple issues that you've said yourself you investigate mostly alone (& that it takes a while)).> and think that it's the other person that should "fix", but anyway. > > cheers, > --renato >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20151019/9117ed27/attachment.html>
On 19 October 2015 at 18:53, David Blaikie <dblaikie at gmail.com> wrote:> If you're drawing parallels to the CoC thread, I don't think that's really > relevant/appropriate. Safe in terms of personal/emotional/physical safety is > rather different than the issues being discussed here.This has been a *significant* source of stress for the last few months for me, and I wasted a *considerable* amount of time during context switches between this and my other tasks due to that stress. It may not have been for you, or any other neurotypical person, but it did hit me hard. Not the content, nor the ideas or plans, but the way in which it was presented and persistently reiterated out of the blue, as if I had a deadline to meet or all my bots, stable or not would just be killed. That is very likely an exaggeration of my part, but it's how I felt, and it's an example of the "offence vs offended", where the offended may look silly in the eyes of the offender. I'm better now, in part because of how we kept the discussion professional, in part for (hopefully) evolving personally. Time will tell if it's permanent. For me, at least, the parallel was very appropriate. cheers, --renato