Thank you very much for your information and documents! Why Imagination Technologies do not offer the latest MIPS ABI document download link just like the ISA docs? If they thought no much people interested in that doc, they had to make greate effort on compiler like GCC,LLVM by themself,then why GCC disagree with some MIPS ABI, it should be freely designed by MIPS ABI designer and compiler backend target implementation. Do I miss something? -- Best Regards, Yu Rong Tan On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Matheus Almeida <Matheus.Almeida at imgtec.com> wrote:> Could you be more specific about what ABIs are you after ? The reason I'm asking is that there are several ABIs available for Mips and only a few of them are supported by LLVM (o32, n32 and n64). There are several ABIs defined by GNU with very little documentation that describes them (EABI is one example). > > We are aware that the available documentation and GCC disagree sometimes and given that GCC is the de-facto standard, LLVM tries to follow GCC's behaviour as close as possible. > > As far as I know there isn't any link from Imagination Technologies' website that I can point you to w.r.t ABIs but there's documentation out there like: > https://dmz-portal.mips.com/mw/images/f/fe/MD00305-2B-ABIDESC-SPC-01.03.pdf // This is probably the best document as it compares the 3 most important ABIs. Note that it's an old document and needs some refactoring given that the implementation in GCC sometimes differs from the documentation. > http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/devel/assembly/mipsabi32.pdf // O32 > ftp://www.linux-mips.org/pub/linux/mips/doc/ABI/MIPS-N32-ABI-Handbook.pdf //n32 > > Regards, > Matheus >
Matheus Almeida
2014-Jun-18 09:03 UTC
[LLVMdev] Is there any tool can generate MIPS ELF file?
> Why Imagination Technologies do not offer the latest MIPS ABI document download link just like the ISA docs?It's something we're considering to do and the documents should be available at some point in the [hopefully] not too distant future.> then why GCC disagree with some MIPS ABI, it should be freely designed by MIPS ABI designer and compiler backend target implementation.I don't have a very good explanation to this question. The ABIs were implemented a long time ago and I can only guess at this point but I'd say that there were some misinterpretations of the spec and given the popularity of GCC, the implementation became the new standard and it's something that LLVM needs to cope with. Regards, Matheus -----Original Message----- From: Nancy [mailto:nancydreaming at gmail.com] Sent: 17 June 2014 13:56 To: Matheus Almeida Cc: LLVM Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Is there any tool can generate MIPS ELF file? Thank you very much for your information and documents! Why Imagination Technologies do not offer the latest MIPS ABI document download link just like the ISA docs? If they thought no much people interested in that doc, they had to make greate effort on compiler like GCC,LLVM by themself,then why GCC disagree with some MIPS ABI, it should be freely designed by MIPS ABI designer and compiler backend target implementation. Do I miss something? -- Best Regards, Yu Rong Tan On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Matheus Almeida <Matheus.Almeida at imgtec.com> wrote:> Could you be more specific about what ABIs are you after ? The reason I'm asking is that there are several ABIs available for Mips and only a few of them are supported by LLVM (o32, n32 and n64). There are several ABIs defined by GNU with very little documentation that describes them (EABI is one example). > > We are aware that the available documentation and GCC disagree sometimes and given that GCC is the de-facto standard, LLVM tries to follow GCC's behaviour as close as possible. > > As far as I know there isn't any link from Imagination Technologies' website that I can point you to w.r.t ABIs but there's documentation out there like: > https://dmz-portal.mips.com/mw/images/f/fe/MD00305-2B-ABIDESC-SPC-01.03.pdf // This is probably the best document as it compares the 3 most important ABIs. Note that it's an old document and needs some refactoring given that the implementation in GCC sometimes differs from the documentation. > http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/devel/assembly/mipsabi32.pdf // O32 > ftp://www.linux-mips.org/pub/linux/mips/doc/ABI/MIPS-N32-ABI-Handbook. > pdf //n32 > > Regards, > Matheus >
Eric Christopher
2014-Jun-18 17:48 UTC
[LLVMdev] Is there any tool can generate MIPS ELF file?
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Matheus Almeida <Matheus.Almeida at imgtec.com> wrote:>> Why Imagination Technologies do not offer the latest MIPS ABI document download link just like the ISA docs? > It's something we're considering to do and the documents should be available at some point in the [hopefully] not too distant future. > >> then why GCC disagree with some MIPS ABI, it should be freely designed by MIPS ABI designer and compiler backend target implementation. > I don't have a very good explanation to this question. The ABIs were implemented a long time ago and I can only guess at this point but I'd say that there were some misinterpretations of the spec and given the popularity of GCC, the implementation became the new standard and it's something that LLVM needs to cope with. >There are a lot of MIPS ABIs. o32, n32, n64 - These came from the SGI world for IRIX originally, but were also adopted for linux and used in gcc for both. o64 - Invented at Cygnus for 64-bit processors eabi - Different one invented at Cygnus meabi - Invented with MIPS and Cygnus (and possibly others) in the late 90s as a new embedded abi. And there's been at least one or two other ABIs since - I'm pretty sure Imagination Technologies working up a new abi right now. -eric> Regards, > Matheus > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nancy [mailto:nancydreaming at gmail.com] > Sent: 17 June 2014 13:56 > To: Matheus Almeida > Cc: LLVM Developers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Is there any tool can generate MIPS ELF file? > > Thank you very much for your information and documents! > > Why Imagination Technologies do not offer the latest MIPS ABI document download link just like the ISA docs? If they thought no much people interested in that doc, they had to make greate effort on compiler like GCC,LLVM by themself,then why GCC disagree with some MIPS ABI, it should be freely designed by MIPS ABI designer and compiler backend target implementation. Do I miss something? > > -- > Best Regards, > Yu Rong Tan > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Matheus Almeida <Matheus.Almeida at imgtec.com> wrote: >> Could you be more specific about what ABIs are you after ? The reason I'm asking is that there are several ABIs available for Mips and only a few of them are supported by LLVM (o32, n32 and n64). There are several ABIs defined by GNU with very little documentation that describes them (EABI is one example). >> >> We are aware that the available documentation and GCC disagree sometimes and given that GCC is the de-facto standard, LLVM tries to follow GCC's behaviour as close as possible. >> >> As far as I know there isn't any link from Imagination Technologies' website that I can point you to w.r.t ABIs but there's documentation out there like: >> https://dmz-portal.mips.com/mw/images/f/fe/MD00305-2B-ABIDESC-SPC-01.03.pdf // This is probably the best document as it compares the 3 most important ABIs. Note that it's an old document and needs some refactoring given that the implementation in GCC sometimes differs from the documentation. >> http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/devel/assembly/mipsabi32.pdf // O32 >> ftp://www.linux-mips.org/pub/linux/mips/doc/ABI/MIPS-N32-ABI-Handbook. >> pdf //n32 >> >> Regards, >> Matheus >> > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev