On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Renato Golin wrote:> On 9 April 2011 20:49, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote: >> See: >> http://wiki.llvm.org/Special:RecentChanges >> >> Can someone who speaks wiki look into this? If we can't fix it, I propose eliminating the wiki. > > Hi Chris, > > AFAIK every open wiki works like this. > > I think we should restrict accounts to people that ask for it in the > mailing list. It won't eliminate spam, but will reduce it > considerable. > > As to the current users, we can reset everyone's password (minus > people you already know are real) and ask them to show up in the list. > The wiki is not *that* critical to be a problem. > > I tried to delete the pages myself, but I couldn't. I tried to clean > them up and move to SPAM, but there are far too many... :( Anyone with > power to delete will have to clean that up.Hi Renato, How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN? -Chris
On 2011-04-12 00:13, Chris Lattner wrote:> > On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Renato Golin wrote: > >> On 9 April 2011 20:49, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote: >>> See: >>> http://wiki.llvm.org/Special:RecentChanges >>> >>> Can someone who speaks wiki look into this? If we can't fix it, I propose eliminating the wiki. >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> AFAIK every open wiki works like this. >> >> I think we should restrict accounts to people that ask for it in the >> mailing list. It won't eliminate spam, but will reduce it >> considerable. >> >> As to the current users, we can reset everyone's password (minus >> people you already know are real) and ask them to show up in the list. >> The wiki is not *that* critical to be a problem. >> >> I tried to delete the pages myself, but I couldn't. I tried to clean >> them up and move to SPAM, but there are far too many... :( Anyone with >> power to delete will have to clean that up. > > Hi Renato, > > How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN?Do you want to give everyone who wants to contribute to the wiki SVN access (perhaps restricted to the wiki subdir)? Best regards, --Edwin
On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Török Edwin wrote:>>> I tried to delete the pages myself, but I couldn't. I tried to clean >>> them up and move to SPAM, but there are far too many... :( Anyone with >>> power to delete will have to clean that up. >> >> Hi Renato, >> >> How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN? > > Do you want to give everyone who wants to contribute to the wiki SVN > access (perhaps restricted to the wiki subdir)?Yes, I have no problem with that. -Chris
On 11 April 2011 22:13, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote:> Hi Renato, > > How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN?Not much, but there is one thing where it's better: you don't have to give commit access to the trunk to someone who only needs to contribute to the Wiki. Commits can be reverted, yes, but wrong commits cause confusion for a while (if detected in time), so I'd say that's a big win. In wikis, you either restrict access via password OR have a heavy moderator-based revision. The first is cheap but burdensome, the second is very (very) expensive. Wikipedia can afford the latter because most of that work is done by millions of people. We don't have that luxury. We could also distribute admin/moderator accounts to a few more people, so they could create accounts too, and distribute the burden. As I take it, the wiki is not crucial to any process to create, test or release LLVM, so whatever happens there (except for spam, obviously), is not that important and things can be reverted in their own pace. Problems like this in the trunk, however... chers, --renato
On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Renato Golin wrote:> On 11 April 2011 22:13, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com> wrote: >> Hi Renato, >> >> How is a wiki with passwords different than an web site in SVN? > > Not much, but there is one thing where it's better: you don't have to > give commit access to the trunk to someone who only needs to > contribute to the Wiki.As I mentioned, I'm not concerned at all with that. We already have established process for this, and enhancements can be added by other people without commit access. If we don't have someone willing to maintain and administrate the wiki, we need to take it down. Any volunteers? -Chris