On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:52 AM, nicolas geoffray < nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote:> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Nicolas, >> >> I plan on using the Avian GC (which is a precise, generational >> collector). >> > > OK - Great! > > >> Eventually, I'd like to fully integrate all of the runtime services Avian >> provides - even integrating the existing Avian JIT compiler, to allow for >> partially-AOT builds. >> >> Avian does indeed have it's own class library, but I would be very >> surprised if VMKit could compile with them - they are sufficiently >> conformant for many applications, but far from a complete implementation. > > > VMKit does not need for the libraries to be complete, just the VM interface > to be fulfilled (eg methods in Class.java). > > > >> Avian also supports using GNU Classpath, and I was planning on targeting >> this feature. >> > > OK > > >> >> As I understand it, LLVM itself can compile code for most of the mentioned >> platforms, and ARM support is coming along nicely. >> >> > Yes indeed. I don't know what is the status of windows support but at least > for the mentioned archs/os, LLVM is a great choice. > > >> If VMKit is to serve as the compiler, I have a number of requirements that >> need to be at least fairly easy to add (or already present): >> >> * Custom lowering (platform independent) of operations like virtual and >> interface calls. Currently, Avian uses the lower bits of the virtual method >> table to store various data, so loading the virtual table requires masking >> out those bits. Avian also uses a fairly unique implementation of hashing >> for interface method lookup (unique in the implementation, not the >> algorithm). In this case, it may be easier to modify Avian to fit with >> VMKit, instead of visa-versa. >> > > Sure, that's one major strength of LLVM: we could decide on a runtime > function (CallVirtualMethod) that will get lowered depending on the > underlying VM. I don't see any difficulties in accomplishing this. >Is it common practice to emit function calls that are expected to be lowered by a later pass? I know LLVM uses this kind of thing with intrinsics (llvm.gcroot, for instance), but a pass lowering calls to specific functions seems very... messy. What about something like a --emit-unlowered-llvm option on llcj that just spits out the LLVM IR before running this lowering pass?> >> * Access to stack maps at GC safe points >> >> > LLVM/VMKit already has it: VMKit uses the OCaml GC in LLVM to generate > stack maps in the executable. > > >> * Access to unwind tables >> >> > I believe that's for Java exceptions? The current non-optimal > implementation of Java exceptions in VMKit is to check after each call site > if an exception has been raised. In older versions, VMKit used C++ > exceptions and Dwarf table, but that proved to be very inefficient in a > mixed JIT/AOT environment (the libgcc implementation of JIT exceptions is > not optimized). > > LLVM is capable of generating dwarf/unwind tables at compile-time (and also > in a JIT environment), so you should get access to these tables in a > standard fashion. The only caveat is that you need to change VMKit and they > way it compiles exception handlers and exception checks. >Could this be another case for emitting calls in the IR that are lowered by a later pass?> > >> * Configurable object layout - capability to configure the number of words >> in the object header, etc. Again, it may be easier to modify Avian. >> >> > This hasn't been tested at a large scale (GCs that VMKit support only need > a 2 word header), but you should be able to define what is an object header. > The generated AOT Java code does make some assumptions on how is the header > for object synchronization, but we can decide on a method that VMKit and > Avian could lowered to different implementations. >Avian only needs a 1-word header - it uses the lower bits of the vtable pointer for GC and hashing.> > * Able to output object files (preferably) or assembly for the target >> platform, with appropriate global symbols for functions, etc. to be linked >> as a boot image. >> > > VMKit already does that, thanks to LLVM code generators. >I was more concerned with whether this is what the llcj driver does.> > >> >> Do you know if VMKit already has these features? If not, would it be >> fairly straightforward to add them in such a way as to also benefit VMKit (I >> don't want to maintain a custom branch)? >> >> > I think it you decide to use VMKit, we can easily agree on how to share a > same code base, with VMKit and Avian JVM having their own lowering pass. > > Nicolas >On the VMKit side, I'd be worried about the implications of adding extra steps in the compilation process, particularly if their only purpose is supporting another VM. Personally, if I were a VMKit developer, such a feature would be high on my list of things to remove, unless such a feature turned out to be useful in other ways. Is this a feature that could genuinely improve VMKit, or do you see this as something that would only end up being used with Avian? It sounds as if the big sticking point is support for 64-bit linux. It wouldn't be all that bad to require cross-compiling all AOT Avian builds from a linux machine (not worrying about building on windows), but I don't think I could justify supporting *only* 32-bit linux as a build platform. 32 bit systems are on their way out. Just to be clear, I do fully intend on using llvm - the only question is what I use to compile class files down to llvm IR (or directly to native object files). Joshua> > Joshua >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM, nicolas geoffray < >> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> What plans did you have for GC? No GC at all or Avian JVM has its own GC >>> (and is it precise or not?)? >>> >>> If you're not planning on using VMKit's GCs, then 64-bit system should >>> not be a big problem: the only problem that we have now is compiling GNU >>> Classpath, and most probably Avian JVM has its own version of the class >>> libraries? >>> >>> Also, note that platform support will be strongly dependent on LLVM >>> support. >>> >>> Nicolas >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nicolas, >>>> >>>> Thanks for all your help, but if 64-bit systems are still a big problem, >>>> perhaps the VMKit AOT compiler is not the best solution to my problem. I'd >>>> like to be able to support the major (if not all all) platforms that the >>>> Avian JVM supports - x86 & x86_64 linux & windows, powerpc darwin and ARM. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Joshua >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:00 AM, nicolas geoffray < >>>> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> If you can get a running 32bit system, I'd suggest you do so, as you'll >>>>> get up to speed right away. I can't test VMKit on a 64bits machine, and I >>>>> have been aware that there are some compilation/execution problems. Besides, >>>>> the current GCs of VMKit do not work on 64bits (neither MMTk nor GCMmap2). >>>>> >>>>> Nicolas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Minas, >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried recompiling Classpath with -fno-omit-frame-pointer, and now, >>>>>> instead of printing an error message, j3 just segfaults in >>>>>> "j3::JnjvmClassLoader::loadClassFromAsciiz(char const*, bool, bool) >>>>>> ()" >>>>>> >>>>>> I ran llcj under strace and found that it is not even opening the >>>>>> input or output files, but is otherwise running normally. >>>>>> >>>>>> Updating to the latest SVN version (revision 108831) didn't change >>>>>> anything (I was only a few days out of date). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure where to go from here. Does this fit with any of the >>>>>> known problems under 64-bit linux? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Minas Abrahamyan < >>>>>> minas.subs at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && "Uninitialized >>>>>>> class >>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding to j3 in 64 bit version, it should work now after we've >>>>>>> found crush reason, >>>>>>> both in Debug and in Release versions. (and its 32 bit version was >>>>>>> continuously working) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But your case is something strange, crush didn't type such messages. >>>>>>> Have you taken VMkit from svn and latest version? >>>>>>> Also, to get j3 running recompile classpath with >>>>>>> -fno-omit-frame-pointer (or take my patch from here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/vmkit-commits/attachments/20100719/35754a6f/attachment.bin >>>>>>> and apply it: >>>>>>> $ cd classpath-0.97.2 >>>>>>> $ patch ./configure ./classpath_configure64.patch >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's now on j3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Minas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > Forgot to send to the mailing list... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> > From: Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> >>>>>>> > Date: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Building VMKit >>>>>>> > To: nicolas geoffray <nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks Nicolas, that worked great! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Now, I'm having trouble invoking the compiler properly: >>>>>>> > $ llcj Hello.class -o=Hello.ll >>>>>>> > $ cat Hello.ll >>>>>>> > cat: Hello.ll: No such file or directory >>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && "Uninitialized >>>>>>> class >>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>> > $ java Hello >>>>>>> > hello, world! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > "Hello" is a completely banal "hello world!" program. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Joshua >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LLVM Developers mailing list >> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com>wrote:> Sure, that's one major strength of LLVM: we could decide on a runtime >> function (CallVirtualMethod) that will get lowered depending on the >> underlying VM. I don't see any difficulties in accomplishing this. >> > > Is it common practice to emit function calls that are expected to be > lowered by a later pass? I know LLVM uses this kind of thing with > intrinsics (llvm.gcroot, for instance), but a pass lowering calls to > specific functions seems very... messy. >It is not lowering calls to specific functions but emitting a virtual call: we could decide to have a runtime call (ie that will get lowered) to get the virtual table of the object and put the indirect call instruction in place (ie it will not get lowered). Or a single runtime call that will get lowered to both getting the virtual table and do the indirect call.> > What about something like a --emit-unlowered-llvm option on llcj that just > spits out the LLVM IR before running this lowering pass? >Yes, that's what I had in mind. llcj is just a driver here for VMKit, the real executable is vmjc, to which you can give a number of passes, including your pass that will lower your virtual call.> >> LLVM is capable of generating dwarf/unwind tables at compile-time (and >> also in a JIT environment), so you should get access to these tables in a >> standard fashion. The only caveat is that you need to change VMKit and they >> way it compiles exception handlers and exception checks. >> > > Could this be another case for emitting calls in the IR that are lowered by > a later pass? >This is much more difficult, but we could try to have something like that. On the list of difficulties: where is the exception handler IR located? who references it? how to prevent dead code elimination to remove it?> Avian only needs a 1-word header - it uses the lower bits of the vtable > pointer for GC and hashing. >Cool. And on a synchronized, it pushes the header on the stack? Or Avian is not multi-threaded?> > >> >> * Able to output object files (preferably) or assembly for the target >>> platform, with appropriate global symbols for functions, etc. to be linked >>> as a boot image. >>> >> >> VMKit already does that, thanks to LLVM code generators. >> > > I was more concerned with whether this is what the llcj driver does. >Yes, llcj can generate assembly files, dynamic libraries, object files, executables, etc.> On the VMKit side, I'd be worried about the implications of adding extra > steps in the compilation process, particularly if their only purpose is > supporting another VM. >VMKit is framework-driven, so we won't mind extra steps in the compilation process, especially if it ends up demonstrating the modularity of VMKit. And I would love to be able to specify on the command line what kind of object header I want, what kind of exceptions, how to implement virtual calls and optimize them, etc. All of these would be implemented as LLVM pass. Personally, if I were a VMKit developer, such a feature would be high on> my list of things to remove, unless such a feature turned out to be useful > in other ways. >Bare in mind that VMKit is research- and framework-driven. For run-time execution of VMKit, performance is always important, so we have to be careful (but adding LLVM passes does not cost at all). For ahead of time compilation, we should aim at having something the more generic as possible. Is this a feature that could genuinely improve VMKit, or do you see this as> something that would only end up being used with Avian? > >It will definitely improve VMKit. It may end up only being used with Avian, but at least it opens more opportunities.> It sounds as if the big sticking point is support for 64-bit linux. It > wouldn't be all that bad to require cross-compiling all AOT Avian builds > from a linux machine (not worrying about building on windows), but I don't > think I could justify supporting *only* 32-bit linux as a build platform. > 32 bit systems are on their way out. > >64-bit linux is near to being fully supported. There is little code in VMKit (except the GC) that is arch-dependent.> Just to be clear, I do fully intend on using llvm - the only question is > what I use to compile class files down to llvm IR (or directly to native > object files). >Using the vmjc tool in VMKit and LLVM lowering passes seems like a nice option to me. Nicolas> Joshua > > >> >> Joshua >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM, nicolas geoffray < >>> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> What plans did you have for GC? No GC at all or Avian JVM has its own GC >>>> (and is it precise or not?)? >>>> >>>> If you're not planning on using VMKit's GCs, then 64-bit system should >>>> not be a big problem: the only problem that we have now is compiling GNU >>>> Classpath, and most probably Avian JVM has its own version of the class >>>> libraries? >>>> >>>> Also, note that platform support will be strongly dependent on LLVM >>>> support. >>>> >>>> Nicolas >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nicolas, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all your help, but if 64-bit systems are still a big >>>>> problem, perhaps the VMKit AOT compiler is not the best solution to my >>>>> problem. I'd like to be able to support the major (if not all all) >>>>> platforms that the Avian JVM supports - x86 & x86_64 linux & windows, >>>>> powerpc darwin and ARM. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Joshua >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:00 AM, nicolas geoffray < >>>>> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can get a running 32bit system, I'd suggest you do so, as >>>>>> you'll get up to speed right away. I can't test VMKit on a 64bits machine, >>>>>> and I have been aware that there are some compilation/execution problems. >>>>>> Besides, the current GCs of VMKit do not work on 64bits (neither MMTk nor >>>>>> GCMmap2). >>>>>> >>>>>> Nicolas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Minas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried recompiling Classpath with -fno-omit-frame-pointer, and now, >>>>>>> instead of printing an error message, j3 just segfaults in >>>>>>> "j3::JnjvmClassLoader::loadClassFromAsciiz(char const*, bool, bool) >>>>>>> ()" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I ran llcj under strace and found that it is not even opening the >>>>>>> input or output files, but is otherwise running normally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updating to the latest SVN version (revision 108831) didn't change >>>>>>> anything (I was only a few days out of date). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure where to go from here. Does this fit with any of the >>>>>>> known problems under 64-bit linux? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Minas Abrahamyan < >>>>>>> minas.subs at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && "Uninitialized >>>>>>>> class >>>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding to j3 in 64 bit version, it should work now after we've >>>>>>>> found crush reason, >>>>>>>> both in Debug and in Release versions. (and its 32 bit version was >>>>>>>> continuously working) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But your case is something strange, crush didn't type such messages. >>>>>>>> Have you taken VMkit from svn and latest version? >>>>>>>> Also, to get j3 running recompile classpath with >>>>>>>> -fno-omit-frame-pointer (or take my patch from here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/vmkit-commits/attachments/20100719/35754a6f/attachment.bin >>>>>>>> and apply it: >>>>>>>> $ cd classpath-0.97.2 >>>>>>>> $ patch ./configure ./classpath_configure64.patch >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's now on j3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Minas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > Forgot to send to the mailing list... >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> > From: Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> > Date: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM >>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Building VMKit >>>>>>>> > To: nicolas geoffray <nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks Nicolas, that worked great! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Now, I'm having trouble invoking the compiler properly: >>>>>>>> > $ llcj Hello.class -o=Hello.ll >>>>>>>> > $ cat Hello.ll >>>>>>>> > cat: Hello.ll: No such file or directory >>>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && "Uninitialized >>>>>>>> class >>>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>>> > $ java Hello >>>>>>>> > hello, world! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > "Hello" is a completely banal "hello world!" program. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Joshua >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi Nicolas, I had a discussion with the lead developer behind Avian, and we decided that for the sake of simplicity, we would use a custom-written translator based on the Java ASM library to do the class-to-llvm translation. Perhaps in the future we could reconsider using VMKit - but for now, it seems just a bit too involved. Thanks for all your help! Regards, Joshua On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:46 AM, nicolas geoffray < nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote:> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com>wrote: > >> Sure, that's one major strength of LLVM: we could decide on a runtime >>> function (CallVirtualMethod) that will get lowered depending on the >>> underlying VM. I don't see any difficulties in accomplishing this. >>> >> >> Is it common practice to emit function calls that are expected to be >> lowered by a later pass? I know LLVM uses this kind of thing with >> intrinsics (llvm.gcroot, for instance), but a pass lowering calls to >> specific functions seems very... messy. >> > > It is not lowering calls to specific functions but emitting a virtual call: > we could decide to have a runtime call (ie that will get lowered) to get the > virtual table of the object and put the indirect call instruction in place > (ie it will not get lowered). Or a single runtime call that will get lowered > to both getting the virtual table and do the indirect call. > > >> >> What about something like a --emit-unlowered-llvm option on llcj that just >> spits out the LLVM IR before running this lowering pass? >> > > Yes, that's what I had in mind. llcj is just a driver here for VMKit, the > real executable is vmjc, to which you can give a number of passes, including > your pass that will lower your virtual call. > > >> >>> LLVM is capable of generating dwarf/unwind tables at compile-time (and >>> also in a JIT environment), so you should get access to these tables in a >>> standard fashion. The only caveat is that you need to change VMKit and they >>> way it compiles exception handlers and exception checks. >>> >> >> Could this be another case for emitting calls in the IR that are lowered >> by a later pass? >> > > This is much more difficult, but we could try to have something like that. > On the list of difficulties: where is the exception handler IR located? who > references it? how to prevent dead code elimination to remove it? > > >> Avian only needs a 1-word header - it uses the lower bits of the vtable >> pointer for GC and hashing. >> > > Cool. And on a synchronized, it pushes the header on the stack? Or Avian is > not multi-threaded? > > >> >> >>> >>> * Able to output object files (preferably) or assembly for the target >>>> platform, with appropriate global symbols for functions, etc. to be linked >>>> as a boot image. >>>> >>> >>> VMKit already does that, thanks to LLVM code generators. >>> >> >> I was more concerned with whether this is what the llcj driver does. >> > > Yes, llcj can generate assembly files, dynamic libraries, object files, > executables, etc. > > >> On the VMKit side, I'd be worried about the implications of adding extra >> steps in the compilation process, particularly if their only purpose is >> supporting another VM. >> > > VMKit is framework-driven, so we won't mind extra steps in the compilation > process, especially if it ends up demonstrating the modularity of VMKit. And > I would love to be able to specify on the command line what kind of object > header I want, what kind of exceptions, how to implement virtual calls and > optimize them, etc. All of these would be implemented as LLVM pass. > > Personally, if I were a VMKit developer, such a feature would be high on >> my list of things to remove, unless such a feature turned out to be useful >> in other ways. >> > > Bare in mind that VMKit is research- and framework-driven. For run-time > execution of VMKit, performance is always important, so we have to be > careful (but adding LLVM passes does not cost at all). For ahead of time > compilation, we should aim at having something the more generic as possible. > > Is this a feature that could genuinely improve VMKit, or do you see this as >> something that would only end up being used with Avian? >> >> > It will definitely improve VMKit. It may end up only being used with Avian, > but at least it opens more opportunities. > > >> It sounds as if the big sticking point is support for 64-bit linux. It >> wouldn't be all that bad to require cross-compiling all AOT Avian builds >> from a linux machine (not worrying about building on windows), but I don't >> think I could justify supporting *only* 32-bit linux as a build platform. >> 32 bit systems are on their way out. >> >> > 64-bit linux is near to being fully supported. There is little code in > VMKit (except the GC) that is arch-dependent. > > >> Just to be clear, I do fully intend on using llvm - the only question is >> what I use to compile class files down to llvm IR (or directly to native >> object files). >> > > Using the vmjc tool in VMKit and LLVM lowering passes seems like a nice > option to me. > > Nicolas > > >> Joshua >> >> >>> >>> Joshua >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM, nicolas geoffray < >>>> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> What plans did you have for GC? No GC at all or Avian JVM has its own >>>>> GC (and is it precise or not?)? >>>>> >>>>> If you're not planning on using VMKit's GCs, then 64-bit system should >>>>> not be a big problem: the only problem that we have now is compiling GNU >>>>> Classpath, and most probably Avian JVM has its own version of the class >>>>> libraries? >>>>> >>>>> Also, note that platform support will be strongly dependent on LLVM >>>>> support. >>>>> >>>>> Nicolas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Nicolas, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all your help, but if 64-bit systems are still a big >>>>>> problem, perhaps the VMKit AOT compiler is not the best solution to my >>>>>> problem. I'd like to be able to support the major (if not all all) >>>>>> platforms that the Avian JVM supports - x86 & x86_64 linux & windows, >>>>>> powerpc darwin and ARM. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:00 AM, nicolas geoffray < >>>>>> nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can get a running 32bit system, I'd suggest you do so, as >>>>>>> you'll get up to speed right away. I can't test VMKit on a 64bits machine, >>>>>>> and I have been aware that there are some compilation/execution problems. >>>>>>> Besides, the current GCs of VMKit do not work on 64bits (neither MMTk nor >>>>>>> GCMmap2). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nicolas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Minas, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tried recompiling Classpath with -fno-omit-frame-pointer, and now, >>>>>>>> instead of printing an error message, j3 just segfaults in >>>>>>>> "j3::JnjvmClassLoader::loadClassFromAsciiz(char const*, bool, bool) >>>>>>>> ()" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I ran llcj under strace and found that it is not even opening the >>>>>>>> input or output files, but is otherwise running normally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updating to the latest SVN version (revision 108831) didn't change >>>>>>>> anything (I was only a few days out of date). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure where to go from here. Does this fit with any of the >>>>>>>> known problems under 64-bit linux? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Minas Abrahamyan < >>>>>>>> minas.subs at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && >>>>>>>>> "Uninitialized class >>>>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding to j3 in 64 bit version, it should work now after we've >>>>>>>>> found crush reason, >>>>>>>>> both in Debug and in Release versions. (and its 32 bit version was >>>>>>>>> continuously working) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But your case is something strange, crush didn't type such >>>>>>>>> messages. >>>>>>>>> Have you taken VMkit from svn and latest version? >>>>>>>>> Also, to get j3 running recompile classpath with >>>>>>>>> -fno-omit-frame-pointer (or take my patch from here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/vmkit-commits/attachments/20100719/35754a6f/attachment.bin >>>>>>>>> and apply it: >>>>>>>>> $ cd classpath-0.97.2 >>>>>>>>> $ patch ./configure ./classpath_configure64.patch >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's now on j3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Minas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Joshua Warner < >>>>>>>>> joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Forgot to send to the mailing list... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> > From: Joshua Warner <joshuawarner32 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> > Date: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:19 AM >>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Building VMKit >>>>>>>>> > To: nicolas geoffray <nicolas.geoffray at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Thanks Nicolas, that worked great! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Now, I'm having trouble invoking the compiler properly: >>>>>>>>> > $ llcj Hello.class -o=Hello.ll >>>>>>>>> > $ cat Hello.ll >>>>>>>>> > cat: Hello.ll: No such file or directory >>>>>>>>> > $ j3 Hello >>>>>>>>> > j3: JavaClass.cpp:480: j3::JavaObject* >>>>>>>>> j3::Class::doNew(j3::Jnjvm*): >>>>>>>>> > Assertion `(this->isInitializing() || >>>>>>>>> > classLoader->getCompiler()->isStaticCompiling()) && >>>>>>>>> "Uninitialized class >>>>>>>>> > when allocating."' failed. >>>>>>>>> > Aborted >>>>>>>>> > $ java Hello >>>>>>>>> > hello, world! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > "Hello" is a completely banal "hello world!" program. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Joshua >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> LLVM Developers mailing list >>>> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >>>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LLVM Developers mailing list >> LLVMdev at cs.uiuc.edu http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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