Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-Aug-17 09:32 UTC
[Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
* Miklos Szeredi (miklos at szeredi.hu) wrote:> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu at linux.alibaba.com> wrote: > > > > This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is > > inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2]. > > Can you please explain the background of this change in detail? > > Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file > and not for others?Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn. Dave> Thanks, > Miklos > > _______________________________________________ > Virtio-fs mailing list > Virtio-fs at redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virtio-fs >-- Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert at redhat.com / Manchester, UK
Vivek Goyal
2021-Aug-17 12:40 UTC
[Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:32:14AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:> * Miklos Szeredi (miklos at szeredi.hu) wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu at linux.alibaba.com> wrote: > > > > > > This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is > > > inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2]. > > > > Can you please explain the background of this change in detail? > > > > Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file > > and not for others? > > Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of > sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache > (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files > that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn.In that case probaly we should just make DAX window larger. I assume that selecting which files to turn DAX on, will itself will not be a trivial. Not sure what heuristics are being deployed to determine that. Will like to know more about it. Vivek
JeffleXu
2021-Sep-16 08:21 UTC
[Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
Hi, I add some performance statistics below. On 8/17/21 8:40 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:32:14AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote: >> * Miklos Szeredi (miklos at szeredi.hu) wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu at linux.alibaba.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is >>>> inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2]. >>> >>> Can you please explain the background of this change in detail? >>> >>> Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file >>> and not for others? >> >> Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of >> sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache >> (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files >> that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn.Yes, the performance of dax can be limited when the DAX window is limited, where dax window may be contended by multiple files. I tested kernel compiling in virtiofs, emulating the scenario where a lot of files contending dax window and triggering dax window reclaiming. Environment setup: - guest vCPU: 16 - time make vmlinux -j128 type | cache | cache-size | time ------- | ------ | ---------- | ---- non-dax | always | -- | real 2m48.119s dax | always | 64M | real 4m49.563s dax | always | 1G | real 3m14.200s dax | always | 4G | real 2m41.141s It can be seen that there's performance drop, comparing to the normal buffered IO, when dax window resource is restricted and dax window relcaiming is triggered. The smaller the cache size is, the worse the performance is. The performance drop can be alleviated and eliminated as cache size increases. Though we may not compile kernel in virtiofs, indeed we may access a lot of small files in virtiofs and suffer this performance drop.> In that case probaly we should just make DAX window larger. I assumeYes, as the DAX window gets larger, it is less likely that we can run short of dax window resource. However it doesn't come without cost. 'struct page' descriptor for dax window will consume guest memory at a ratio of ~1.5% (64/4096 = ~1.5%, page descriptor is of 64 bytes size, assuming 4K sized page). That is, every 1GB cache size will cost 16MB guest memory. As the cache size increases, the memory footprint for page descriptors also increases, which may offset the benefit of dax by eliminating guest page cache. In summary, per-file dax feature tries to achieve a balance between performance and memory overhead, by offering a finer gained control for dax to users.> that selecting which files to turn DAX on, will itself will not be > a trivial. Not sure what heuristics are being deployed to determine > that. Will like to know more about it.Currently we enable dax for hot and large blob files, while disabling dax for other miscellaneous small files. -- Thanks, Jeffle