Linux Ethernet Bridging - Aug 2022 - [Bridge] [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers

On 2022-08-22 07:40, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 03:43:04PM +0200, netdev at kapio-technology.com 
> wrote:
> 
> I personally think that the mv88e6xxx semantics are very weird (e.g., 
> no
> roaming, traffic blackhole) and I don't want them to determine how the
> feature works in the pure software bridge or other hardware
> implementations. On the other hand, I understand your constraints and I
> don't want to create a situation where user space is unable to
> understand how the data path works from the bridge FDB dump with
> mv88e6xxx.
> 
> My suggestion is to have mv88e6xxx report the "locked" entry to
the
> bridge driver with additional flags that describe its behavior in terms
> of roaming, ageing and forwarding.
> 
> In terms of roaming, since in mv88e6xxx the entry can't roam you should
> report the entry with the "sticky" flag.
As I am not familiar with roaming in this context, I need to know how 
the SW bridge should behave in this case. In this I am assuming that 
roaming is regarding unauthorized entries.
In this case, is the roaming only between locked ports or does the 
roaming include that the entry can move to a unlocked port, resulting in 
the locked flag getting removed?
> In terms of ageing, since
> mv88e6xxx is the one doing the ageing and not the bridge driver, report
> the entry with the "extern_learn" flag.
Just for the record, I see that entries coming from the driver to the 
bridge will always have the "extern learn" flag set as can be seen
from
the SWITCHDEV_FDB_ADD_TO_BRIDGE events handling in br_switchdev_event() 
in br.c, which I think is the correct behavior.
> In terms of forwarding, in
> mv88e6xxx the entry discards all matching packets. We can introduce a
> new FDB flag that instructs the entry to silently discard all matching
> packets. Like we have with blackhole routes and nexthops.
Any suggestions to the name of this flag?
> 
> I believe that the above suggestion allows you to fully describe how
> these entries work in mv88e6xxx while keeping the bridge driver in sync
> with complete visibility towards user space.
> 
> It also frees the pure software implementation from the constraints of
> mv88e6xxx, allowing "locked" entries to behave like any other
> dynamically learned entries modulo the fact that they cannot
"unlock" a
> locked port.
> 
> Yes, it does mean that user space will get a bit different behavior 
> with
> mv88e6xxx compared to a pure software solution, but a) It's only the
> corner cases that act a bit differently. As a whole, the feature works
> largely the same. b) User space has complete visibility to understand
> the behavior of the offloaded data path.
> 
>> 
>> I will change it in iproute2 to:
>> bridge link set dev DEV mab on|off
> 
> And s/BR_PORT_MACAUTH/BR_PORT_MAB/ ?
Sure, I will do that. :-)

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:49:28AM +0200, netdev at kapio-technology.com
wrote:
> On 2022-08-22 07:40, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 03:43:04PM +0200, netdev at
kapio-technology.com
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I personally think that the mv88e6xxx semantics are very weird (e.g.,
no
> > roaming, traffic blackhole) and I don't want them to determine how
the
> > feature works in the pure software bridge or other hardware
> > implementations. On the other hand, I understand your constraints and
I
> > don't want to create a situation where user space is unable to
> > understand how the data path works from the bridge FDB dump with
> > mv88e6xxx.
> > 
> > My suggestion is to have mv88e6xxx report the "locked" entry
to the
> > bridge driver with additional flags that describe its behavior in
terms
> > of roaming, ageing and forwarding.
> > 
> > In terms of roaming, since in mv88e6xxx the entry can't roam you
should
> > report the entry with the "sticky" flag.
> 
> As I am not familiar with roaming in this context, I need to know how the
SW
> bridge should behave in this case.
I think I wasn't clear enough. The idea is to make the bridge compatible
with mv88e6xxx in a way that is discoverable by user space by having
mv88e6xxx add the locked entry with flags that describe the hardware
behavior. Therefore, it's not a matter of "how the SW bridge should
behave", but having it behave in a way that matches the offloaded data
path.
>From what I was able to understand from you, the "locked" entry
cannot
roam at all in mv88e6xxx, which can be described by the "sticky" flag.
> In this I am assuming that roaming is regarding unauthorized entries.
Yes, talking about "locked" entries that are notified by mv88e6xxx to
the bridge.
> In this case, is the roaming only between locked ports or does the
> roaming include that the entry can move to a unlocked port, resulting
> in the locked flag getting removed?
Any two ports. If the "locked" entry in mv88e6xxx cannot move once
installed, then the "sticky" flag accurately describes it.
> 
> > In terms of ageing, since
> > mv88e6xxx is the one doing the ageing and not the bridge driver,
report
> > the entry with the "extern_learn" flag.
> 
> Just for the record, I see that entries coming from the driver to the
bridge
> will always have the "extern learn" flag set as can be seen from
the
> SWITCHDEV_FDB_ADD_TO_BRIDGE events handling in br_switchdev_event() in
br.c,
> which I think is the correct behavior.
Yes.
> 
> > In terms of forwarding, in
> > mv88e6xxx the entry discards all matching packets. We can introduce a
> > new FDB flag that instructs the entry to silently discard all matching
> > packets. Like we have with blackhole routes and nexthops.
> 
> Any suggestions to the name of this flag?
I'm not good at naming, but "blackhole" is at least consistent
with what
we already have for routes and nexthop objects.
> 
> > 
> > I believe that the above suggestion allows you to fully describe how
> > these entries work in mv88e6xxx while keeping the bridge driver in
sync
> > with complete visibility towards user space.
> > 
> > It also frees the pure software implementation from the constraints of
> > mv88e6xxx, allowing "locked" entries to behave like any
other
> > dynamically learned entries modulo the fact that they cannot
"unlock" a
> > locked port.
> > 
> > Yes, it does mean that user space will get a bit different behavior
with
> > mv88e6xxx compared to a pure software solution, but a) It's only
the
> > corner cases that act a bit differently. As a whole, the feature works
> > largely the same. b) User space has complete visibility to understand
> > the behavior of the offloaded data path.
> > 
> 
> > > 
> > > I will change it in iproute2 to:
> > > bridge link set dev DEV mab on|off
> > 
> > And s/BR_PORT_MACAUTH/BR_PORT_MAB/ ?
> 
> Sure, I will do that. :-)
Thanks