I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. Are others seeing same? D -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699
Same here, after having not received mails from this list for a long, long time. On 05/03/2011 11:52 PM, Don Gould wrote:> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. > > Are others seeing same? > > D >
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 09:52 +1200, Don Gould wrote:> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. > > Are others seeing same? >I''ve just had a load. Maybe they were a pile of messages that were held for moderation and have just all been approved? Would be nice to see some discussions on the list again! Andy
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Same here... On 05/04/2011 09:04 AM, Andrew Beverley wrote:> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 09:52 +1200, Don Gould wrote: >> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. >> >> Are others seeing same? >> > > I''ve just had a load. Maybe they were a pile of messages that were held > for moderation and have just all been approved? > > Would be nice to see some discussions on the list again! > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNwO8fAAoJEDFLYVOGGjgXDccH/Rk9/WscT5nU1OpY2SFA4/b+ pxpSX7bKtBslvTtathOwytOG1CSxZvNNTWHe1tHqITsQKdNvmY0we8j2IkOTOIEi ZPLYBVg1h+kcRZN0dApNgaVCsgu2n+ELG07tGUMZ49D0eN1K8idURv0b0++dMSzJ njRPNZnKMcVtpx/MQusD8b+bsO3lCqtNoXop/XAZZ7muZP9a/DdHuK72Y+N6YSkP 3KBFa8z2rVocllludIShTCjMUH+Tbh27XGrSe8mAToNUEhRcW2US9Zc+qiw/iFmd B85Wf/9D2XEkIllgivLKRPBigA9lwkWptiFNDAeLmhlrFMymxupwpDDw6IqHQ3k=ENKJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 2011-05-04 05:43, Andreas Unterkircher wrote:> Same here, after having not received mails from this list for a long, > long time. > > On 05/03/2011 11:52 PM, Don Gould wrote: >> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. >> >> Are others seeing same?Yes, same here, I have not received mails from this list since Jan 22 2008, I never unsubscribed the list. Today I revived a fair amount of spam from the list and a few messages like this one.>> >> D//Burner _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
The list is alive! :-D On 5/4/2011 10:26 AM, Kim Bak wrote:> On 2011-05-04 05:43, Andreas Unterkircher wrote: >> Same here, after having not received mails from this list for a long, >> long time. >> >> On 05/03/2011 11:52 PM, Don Gould wrote: >>> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. >>> >>> Are others seeing same? > > Yes, same here, I have not received mails from this list since Jan 22 > 2008, I never unsubscribed the list. > Today I revived a fair amount of spam from the list and a few messages > like this one. > >>> >>> D > //Burner > > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc-- Regards, Vitaly. _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hehe, must be my fault. I joined the list yesterday and have got nothing but spam, old messages and comments on how broken the list is since ;-) The web interface to mailman is painfully slow too. Meanwhile I''ll keep reading, maybe at some point there will be some real discussion about Routing and traffic control. /me waves -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3BS3kACgkQUCQJ5ndn48bhdgCePXBggmj20WxjftkC0q2r/TBs lZMAn2T0btl+TDprgIf8eEL2WgEUbaB5 =3Kq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Anyone managing the list can shed some light on the status of this list? I for once wouldn''t mind doing some moderation (if needed of course)... 2011/5/4 Kim Bak <burner@clanpips.dk>> On 2011-05-04 05:43, Andreas Unterkircher wrote: > >> Same here, after having not received mails from this list for a long, >> long time. >> >> On 05/03/2011 11:52 PM, Don Gould wrote: >> >>> I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this list. >>> >>> Are others seeing same? >>> >> > Yes, same here, I have not received mails from this list since Jan 22 2008, > I never unsubscribed the list. > Today I revived a fair amount of spam from the list and a few messages like > this one. > > >>> D >>> >> //Burner > > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc > >_______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
Unfortunately, I think it all went to h*ll and back. I''ll be more than willing to create a new list under my own domain and we can start discussing Linux routing once more. Anybody want me to do that? On 05/04/2011 04:02 PM, João Almeida wrote:> Anyone managing the list can shed some light on the status of this list? > > I for once wouldn''t mind doing some moderation (if needed of course)... > > 2011/5/4 Kim Bak <burner@clanpips.dk <mailto:burner@clanpips.dk>> > > On 2011-05-04 05:43, Andreas Unterkircher wrote: > > Same here, after having not received mails from this list for > a long, > long time. > > On 05/03/2011 11:52 PM, Don Gould wrote: > > I''m getting a small stream of old posts and spam off this > list. > > Are others seeing same? > > > Yes, same here, I have not received mails from this list since Jan > 22 2008, I never unsubscribed the list. > Today I revived a fair amount of spam from the list and a few > messages like this one. > > > D > > //Burner > > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl <mailto:LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl> > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc > > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc_______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On 04/05/2011 18:56, Radu Oprisan wrote:> Unfortunately, I think it all went to h*ll and back. I''ll be more than > willing to create a new list under my own domain and we can start > discussing Linux routing once more. Anybody want me to do that?Flip that would be awesome, and appreciated. Linux routing is so important, and I cant believe the powers that be, allowed this mailing list to get this state. Kind Regards Brent Clark _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
I can set-up another mailing list in the morning (8 PM now, EEST). Think we can get somebody else to join? On 05/04/2011 08:02 PM, Brent Clark wrote:> On 04/05/2011 18:56, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> Unfortunately, I think it all went to h*ll and back. I''ll be more >> than willing to create a new list under my own domain and we can >> start discussing Linux routing once more. Anybody want me to do that? > > Flip that would be awesome, and appreciated. > Linux routing is so important, and I cant believe the powers that be, > allowed this mailing list to get this state. > > Kind Regards > Brent Clark_______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On 05/04/11 12:03, Radu Oprisan wrote:> I can set-up another mailing list in the morning (8 PM now, EEST). > Think we can get somebody else to join?I''m not opposed to a new mailing list in and of its self. However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be people that stumble on to this list. I''ve personally noticed, for the last couple of years, that this list would be *EXTREMELY* delayed (as in weeks to months) for some unknown reason. - As I look at headers of some of the recent messages, I see that a message sat in the queue on the server for multiple months before being delivered to my mail server. Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if it has straightened up it''s act. I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. Other than the above concern, I''ll support moving to a new mailing list as long as there are messages to this list (so that they can be found in archives) indicating the move. Grant. . . .
On 05/04/2011 09:06 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 12:03, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I can set-up another mailing list in the morning (8 PM now, EEST). >> Think we can get somebody else to join? > > I''m not opposed to a new mailing list in and of its self. > > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented > all over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still > be people that stumble on to this list. > > I''ve personally noticed, for the last couple of years, that this list > would be *EXTREMELY* delayed (as in weeks to months) for some unknown > reason. - As I look at headers of some of the recent messages, I see > that a message sat in the queue on the server for multiple months > before being delivered to my mail server. > > Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d > suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if > it has straightened up it''s act. > > I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in his > / her stead. > > Other than the above concern, I''ll support moving to a new mailing > list as long as there are messages to this list (so that they can be > found in archives) indicating the move. > >True. We shall wait then for more information. On the other hand, I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to take over this one.
I agree with Grant. Greg. On 04 Μαϊ 2011, at 21:06 , Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 12:03, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I can set-up another mailing list in the morning (8 PM now, EEST). >> Think we can get somebody else to join? > > I''m not opposed to a new mailing list in and of its self. > > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be people that stumble on to this list. > > I''ve personally noticed, for the last couple of years, that this list would be *EXTREMELY* delayed (as in weeks to months) for some unknown reason. - As I look at headers of some of the recent messages, I see that a message sat in the queue on the server for multiple months before being delivered to my mail server. > > Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if it has straightened up it''s act. > > I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. > > Other than the above concern, I''ll support moving to a new mailing list as long as there are messages to this list (so that they can be found in archives) indicating the move. > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc >
On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote:> True. We shall wait then for more information. On the other hand, I will > try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to take over > this one.I will say that this is the first time in approximately two years that this mailing list has seemed to be responsive and capable of being used. Heck, there have been 15 messages back and forth between subscribers today. That simply was not possible in the past couple of years. Grant. . . .
On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote:> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to > take over this one.(I''ll make this pitch again.) Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? All in favor? Any one against? Grant. . . .
going to have to agree... is nice to see however. =) On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:11 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > True. We shall wait then for more information. On the other hand, I will > > try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to take over > > this one. > > I will say that this is the first time in approximately two years that > this mailing list has seemed to be responsive and capable of being used. > > Heck, there have been 15 messages back and forth between subscribers > today. That simply was not possible in the past couple of years. > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
How to unsubscribe from this spam list ? ( i cannot receive password from reminder) Please help me Regards Radek -------------------------------------------------- From: "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@riverviewtech.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:24 PM To: "Mail List - Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control" <lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl> Subject: Re: [LARTC] List fault?> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >> take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so > that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to the > mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:24 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to > > take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so > that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to > the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? >Aye Anything else is irritating for this sort of mailing list. Dave
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 In Favor... Stuart Sheldon ACT USA On 05/04/2011 12:24 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >> take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so > that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to > the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJNwavLAAoJEFKVLITDJSGSMCIQAKwrpYfVS/N/1N1KnQcbQVCa YUzLh3wM6SR0YSVFAFCdiRDwM2x5qW8dGc6f/a1OMu7+5g+WsryA19JfZVbdml4F tuPcMxPhbgPw505SrHW0ERAAO4CT1han4AZHKon3sKaQGI2ZzE9rNFARl08ME62c nCvK+mTQfnjkXnAkcu1P55rMZdsb7oVnqcueBR1qle2t3iS7RT/EAZkQnt2XpFib xzbf2sd6bXHDVoBnqcGSozE0TkWh6OdALThVT+s7gNnhvAm/QZQUp5Hl3qvxDHfu R6lo9WsafO+mzZ3IjKLUw1FYVIPL6jD873dkN7ZL3aOh5muMj24llxrHIOqjDcIw fgtx++xVE29lxZNOhldOhzi1AarggXYMzd6mhnmVncKt3yqkiRSsyFq5wBK2ina5 H/WgTLnCZXo8Df+BrzYruXls4V8W2EskKraTaUQgARXzkJ+4R3AP1f/NslvXwrhF oha7iSYIYDilqFGZ4NDGkkM3ojU4OjdgDQWT0vYoIjjdDrmodmhoWZyLRRub3O0x XyCMwo9mDX98RyM7cioBbWkfMIIdsp7TfoC4wkocnSKw6H9a4qFXsicYWEKGgueC uFNm02UChLWg+hFLZvptUxzmFhK3yWn5gN66qjWksWQ2yI/91TSVtkIvXMjrS7s/ agwLrUBOnBSX0OUOj9Gd =x2eG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Agreed. On 05/04/2011 10:24 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >> take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list > so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back > to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On 05/04/11 14:33, Radoslaw Horodniczy wrote:> How to unsubscribe from this spam list ?The list may be (have been) broken, but it''s not a source of spam.> ( i cannot receive password from reminder)That''s odd. If you are able to receive posts to the list, you should be able to receive the password reminders.> Please help meTry going to the following list information URL: http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc There is an unsubscribe option towards the bottom of the page in the "LARTC Subscribers" section. You can also make some changes to your subscription by following these directions (included in the original welcome message). """ You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: LARTC-request@mailman.ds9a.nl with the word `help'' in the subject or body (don''t include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. """> RegardsLikewise. Grant. . . .
Aye. Greg On 04 Μαϊ 2011, at 22:24 , Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >> take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc >
> > On 05/04/2011 10:24 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: >> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >>> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >>> take over this one. >> >> (I''ll make this pitch again.) >> >> Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list >> so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back >> to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? >> >> All in favor? >> >> Any one against? >>I agree. Javier.-
Am 04.05.2011 21:24, schrieb Grant Taylor:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >> take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list > so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back > to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartcPlease, do so.
> Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list so > that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back to > the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > All in favor? > > Any one against?>From RFC2822 (my emphasis):When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es) to which the ***author*** of the message suggests that replies be sent. As a matter of practicality, if you point Reply-To to the list, then you are implementing a policy that all replies, no matter how off-topic, should go to the list. That is probably not what is wanted. Cheers, Ralph.> > > > Grant. . . . > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On 05/04/2011 10:15 PM, Ruben Rögels wrote:> Am 04.05.2011 21:24, schrieb Grant Taylor: >> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: >>> I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to >>> take over this one. >> >> (I''ll make this pitch again.) >> >> Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list >> so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back >> to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? >> >> All in favor? >> >> Any one against? >> >> >> >> Grant. . . . >> _______________________________________________ >> LARTC mailing list >> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl >> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc > > Please, do so.Maybe it''s an idea to use LibreList[1] or Sourceforge or something? Saves the trouble of admin and fighting spammers. Cheers, Victor [1] http://librelist.com/ -- --------------------------------------------- Victor Julien http://www.inliniac.net/ PGP: http://www.inliniac.net/victorjulien.asc ---------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:11 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > True. We shall wait then for more information. On the other hand, I will > > try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to take over > > this one. > > I will say that this is the first time in approximately two years that > this mailing list has seemed to be responsive and capable of being used.I suggest asking the list admins at vger.kernel.org to setup a linux-routing or linux-lartc mailing list.
Hello Grant Taylor, Am 2011-05-04 14:24:17, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:> On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > >I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to > >take over this one. > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list > so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed > back to the mailing list (as a discussion list)?For WHAT? Real MTAs have <L> byside <R> and <G>> All in favor? > Any one against?Yes. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office <http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.flexray4linux.org/> <http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/> <http://www.can4linux.org/> Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
I''m all for just seeing if we can get to the list admin and just get the existing list back up to scratch. Who is the list admin? Do we just need a new admin or supporter? Has the existing person just got past being able to do the role (ie busy with work, family, what ever :) ) D
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 05/04/11 12:03, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > I can set-up another mailing list in the morning (8 PM now, EEST). > > Think we can get somebody else to join? > > I''m not opposed to a new mailing list in and of its self. > > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all > over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be > people that stumble on to this list. >Agreed. I''m all for fixing what already exists rather than re-inventing the wheel. If it''s broken beyond repair though... Andy
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:56 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:11 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > > True. We shall wait then for more information. On the other hand, I will > > > try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to take over > > > this one. > > > > I will say that this is the first time in approximately two years that > > this mailing list has seemed to be responsive and capable of being used. > > I suggest asking the list admins at vger.kernel.org > to setup a linux-routing or linux-lartc mailing list. >+1 if the existing list can''t be fixed. That''s where the rest of the Linux networking lists are. Andy
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:24 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> All in favor? > > Any one against?In favour.
+1 -----Original Message----- From: lartc-bounces@mailman.ds9a.nl [mailto:lartc-bounces@mailman.ds9a.nl] On Behalf Of Russell Stuart Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2011 9:41 AM To: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl Subject: Re: [LARTC] List fault? On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:24 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> All in favor? > > Any one against?In favour. _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
+1 ------Original Message------ From: Alex Samad Sender: lartc-bounces@mailman.ds9a.nl To: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl ReplyTo: alex@samad.com.au Subject: RE: [LARTC] List fault? Sent: May 5, 2011 06:56 +1 -----Original Message----- From: lartc-bounces@mailman.ds9a.nl [mailto:lartc-bounces@mailman.ds9a.nl] On Behalf Of Russell Stuart Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2011 9:41 AM To: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl Subject: Re: [LARTC] List fault? On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 14:24 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> All in favor? > > Any one against?In favour. _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc Verinux Xecurelink Network
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote:> Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d > suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if > it has straightened up it''s act.I''d also like a comment from the list > maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead.The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems likely. I don''t know why the list burst into life this time around, but it has happened several times before only to die again a short while later. I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the chance.> I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in > his / her stead.This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be waiting around for them. The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn''t running the server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not a good way to go. So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just replicates the situation we are in now I don''t think it or similar offers are such a good idea. A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate on for things like HOWTO''s. We would just have to organise among ourselves governance of the list properly. Normally I''d suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don''t know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of vger.kernel.org seems to be we don''t have to organise governance - we just hand it over to davem and matti (vger''s admins). So there is no mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them to set set up the list. So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses as proof to vger.kernel.org''s admins there is sufficient interest to make it there worth their while.> However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all > over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be > people that stumble on to this list.Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working list what we need, and that should be our first priority. If the person who owns lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl pops up then we can do other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later if we can.
Yes, agree, affirmative, aye On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Russell Stuart <russell-lartc@stuart.id.au> wrote:> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: >> Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d >> suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if >> it has straightened up it''s act.I''d also like a comment from the list >> maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. > > The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list > if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We > can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only > means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems > likely. I don''t know why the list burst into life this time around, but > it has happened several times before only to die again a short while > later. > > I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty > important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the > chance. > >> I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in >> his / her stead. > > This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be > waiting around for them. > > The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical > group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most > of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn''t running the > server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained > over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, > running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not > a good way to go. > > So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just > replicates the situation we are in now I don''t think it or similar > offers are such a good idea. > > A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a > third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, > sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be > just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate > on for things like HOWTO''s. We would just have to organise among > ourselves governance of the list properly. > > Normally I''d suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don''t > know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of > vger.kernel.org seems to be we don''t have to organise governance - we > just hand it over to davem and matti (vger''s admins). So there is no > mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them > to set set up the list. > > So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week > or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses > as proof to vger.kernel.org''s admins there is sufficient interest to > make it there worth their while. > >> However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all >> over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be >> people that stumble on to this list. > > Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead > list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working > list what we need, and that should be our first priority. > > If the person who owns lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl pops up then we can do > other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things > like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. > But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see > whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later > if we can. > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc >
> Hello Grant Taylor, > Am 2011-05-04 14:24:17, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> (I''ll make this pitch again.) >> >> Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list >> so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed >> back to the mailing list (as a discussion list)?> For WHAT? Real MTAs have <L> byside <R> and <G>I''m with Michelle on this one. People are capable of choosing between these ("r" and "f" in my case, or "Reply"/"Reply to all" on other MUAs).>> All in favor? >> Any one against?> Yes.Count me in the "against" camp. Best regards, -- Simon.
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 12:10 +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. > > So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week > or so?+1
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Let''s go for it then, count me in! On 05/05/2011 05:10 AM, Russell Stuart wrote:> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: >> Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d >> suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if >> it has straightened up it''s act.I''d also like a comment from the list >> maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. > > The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list > if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We > can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only > means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems > likely. I don''t know why the list burst into life this time around, but > it has happened several times before only to die again a short while > later. > > I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty > important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the > chance. > >> I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in >> his / her stead. > > This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be > waiting around for them. > > The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical > group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most > of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn''t running the > server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained > over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, > running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not > a good way to go. > > So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just > replicates the situation we are in now I don''t think it or similar > offers are such a good idea. > > A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a > third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, > sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be > just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate > on for things like HOWTO''s. We would just have to organise among > ourselves governance of the list properly. > > Normally I''d suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don''t > know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of > vger.kernel.org seems to be we don''t have to organise governance - we > just hand it over to davem and matti (vger''s admins). So there is no > mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them > to set set up the list. > > So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week > or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses > as proof to vger.kernel.org''s admins there is sufficient interest to > make it there worth their while. > >> However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all >> over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be >> people that stumble on to this list. > > Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead > list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working > list what we need, and that should be our first priority. > > If the person who owns lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl pops up then we can do > other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things > like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. > But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see > whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later > if we can. > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNwkJMAAoJEDFLYVOGGjgXhCQH/R0SgutHC9Y7L0pUYeJizf9J HDafjXWgDsmpstRWR8eZgBQU4K0RqXl7D88QA7yeHLm3tBWc2zZ3lQcYNNJzex82 6D5umoFRSH+ukDV2o5VQm9SMQmgXs9BenmCFPD73Vq5pN6I7OrsZ0AP0MkYYZ8oE U5SXngkVIRLZzArnE7OBH7PDtXMeHSW+GQhZyACM134ZXtle+XmpOqdnkf5Bf3L7 +KoBnG8TuE6w7ruyY6Mfa3cjMdlx+b0lQnlFSGZrF7EMtZchzwLTJ1yWVt+/zdsd Yxnd4S80LWz7/GccmSyfzjdoe2MOtdznLJTuBe4Ciyes7Yh/K4xyXJO+tX1OZnw=sLHO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@riverviewtech.net> writes:> Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list > so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed back > to the mailing list (as a discussion list)?Yes. http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html> All in favor?No.> Any one against?Definitely. /Benny
+1 On Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:10:01 pm Russell Stuart wrote:> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > > Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I''d > > suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if > > it has straightened up it''s act.I''d also like a comment from the list > > maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. > > The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list > if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We > can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only > means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems > likely. I don''t know why the list burst into life this time around, but > it has happened several times before only to die again a short while > later. > > I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty > important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the > chance. > > > I''d also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in > > his / her stead. > > This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be > waiting around for them. > > The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical > group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most > of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn''t running the > server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained > over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, > running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not > a good way to go. > > So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just > replicates the situation we are in now I don''t think it or similar > offers are such a good idea. > > A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a > third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, > sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be > just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate > on for things like HOWTO''s. We would just have to organise among > ourselves governance of the list properly. > > Normally I''d suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don''t > know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of > vger.kernel.org seems to be we don''t have to organise governance - we > just hand it over to davem and matti (vger''s admins). So there is no > mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them > to set set up the list. > > So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week > or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses > as proof to vger.kernel.org''s admins there is sufficient interest to > make it there worth their while. > > > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all > > over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be > > people that stumble on to this list. > > Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead > list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working > list what we need, and that should be our first priority. > > If the person who owns lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl pops up then we can do > other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things > like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. > But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see > whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later > if we can.-- Luciano Ruete Sequre - Sys Admin Mitre 617, piso 7, of. 1 +54 261 4254894 Mendoza - Argentina http://www.sequre.com.ar/ -- Luciano Ruete -- Luciano
On 05/04/2011 07:10:01 PM, Russell Stuart wrote:> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a > third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, > sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would > be > just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate > on for things like HOWTO''s.kernel.org hosts wikis (and bugzilla) too. seems like a good choice to me.
I just ask again, who is in charge now?
Why is the list awake again?
Not that I''m against a new list, but I propose four things:
1- Know what is going on!
2- Maintain this list for "compatibility" purposes
3- We can create a new one with a more easy address but keep them "tied
together" at least for a while
4- Who is in charge of the web page? I myself would like to add some life to
it... A repo of howtos/confs/scripts would be very nice, IMHO...
Basically, I agree with the new life of the community but why not revamp the
existing one? Lists can be relocated, servers as well...
What is the point of loosing all the work done so far?
Best regards,
João Almeida
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> wrote:
> On 05/04/2011 07:10:01 PM, Russell Stuart wrote:
>
> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a
>> third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github,
>> sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be
>> just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate
>> on for things like HOWTO''s.
>>
>
> kernel.org hosts wikis (and bugzilla) too.
> seems like a good choice to me.
>
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Hi I sort of agree. This list just magically came back to life. Why? Did someone flip a switch? Who is that person? Will they turn it off again? Also, regarding the site, its very static. I think a wiki could replace it and breath some new life into it. Adrian 2011/5/5 João Almeida <jpoalmeida@gmail.com>:> I just ask again, who is in charge now? > Why is the list awake again? > Not that I''m against a new list, but I propose four things: > 1- Know what is going on! > 2- Maintain this list for "compatibility" purposes > 3- We can create a new one with a more easy address but keep them "tied > together" at least for a while > 4- Who is in charge of the web page? I myself would like to add some life to > it... A repo of howtos/confs/scripts would be very nice, IMHO... > Basically, I agree with the new life of the community but why not revamp the > existing one? Lists can be relocated, servers as well... > What is the point of loosing all the work done so far? > Best regards, > João Almeida > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> wrote: >> >> On 05/04/2011 07:10:01 PM, Russell Stuart wrote: >> >>> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a >>> third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, >>> sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be >>> just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate >>> on for things like HOWTO''s. >> >> kernel.org hosts wikis (and bugzilla) too. >> seems like a good choice to me. >> _______________________________________________ >> LARTC mailing list >> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl >> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc > >
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 00:12 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:> Hello Grant Taylor, > > Am 2011-05-04 14:24:17, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > On 05/04/11 13:37, Radu Oprisan wrote: > > >I will try to contact LARTC in order to ask them for permission to > > >take over this one. > > > > (I''ll make this pitch again.) > > > > Does any one have any objections to (re)configuring the mailing list > > so that it sets the Reply-To header so that replies are directed > > back to the mailing list (as a discussion list)? > > For WHAT? Real MTAs have <L> byside <R> and <G> > > > All in favor? > > Any one against? > > Yes.Sorry guys, but I have to support Michelle here and refrain that anyone not familiar with the "Reply-To" problem in the context of mailinglists do a quick google on "Reply To munging". It''s really just some ugly workaround for old/broken MUA to set Reply-To for a mailinglist pointing back to itself. Please don''t! -- Best regards, Kilian
Hi, has anyone contacted vger.kernel.org about lartc list creation? Andrew Burgess wrote:> On 05/04/2011 07:10:01 PM, Russell Stuart wrote: > >> A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a >> third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, >> sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be >> just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate >> on for things like HOWTO''s. > > kernel.org hosts wikis (and bugzilla) too. > seems like a good choice to me.