Ironruby core - Jan 2010 - Questions for IronRuby's RubyInside Article

All,

RubyInside.com<http://rubyinside.com/> will be running a series of
articles about all the various Ruby implementations, written by the
implementers, and each article is accompanied with a Q&A-style section.

IronRuby hasn''t really received any IronRuby-specific questions, so
I''d like to ask all of you to propose questions (as a reply to this
mail), which I will then answer in the article =P. These can be questions you
know the answer to, but think would provide valuable information to the rest of
the Ruby community, or questions you don''t know the answer too, which
would provide valuable information to everyone =)

For some context and/or inspiration, here''s the current IronRuby
Q&A: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcvr9mmg_108c67mcf2b. Feedback or
questions on the answers are welcome.

~Jimmy
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Hi Jimmy,

Here are some questions from the top of my head:
1. I''m a Ruby guy who loves Windows (the horror!!!), does IronRuby have
advantage over other implementations when it comes to developing on Windows?
2. Will Ruby libraries and gems be available in IronRuby?
3. Silverlight is rapidly growing and improving. Since it is a .NET
technology, can you write Silverlight applications with IronRuby?
4. Is Microsoft serious about it or will V1.0 be the first and the last
version of IronRuby?

Hope it helps,
Shay.
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Shay Friedman | Author of IronRuby Unleashed | .NET Technologies Consultant
and Instructor | Sela Technology Center
Blog: http://IronShay.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/ironshay


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Jimmy Schementi <
Jimmy.Schementi at microsoft.com> wrote:
> All,
>
>
>
> RubyInside.com <http://rubyinside.com/> will be running a series of
> articles about all the various Ruby implementations, written by the
> implementers, and each article is accompanied with a Q&A-style section.
>
>
>
> IronRuby hasn?t really received any IronRuby-specific questions, so I?d
> like to ask all of you to propose questions (as a reply to this mail),
which
> I will then answer in the article =P. These can be questions you know the
> answer to, but think would provide valuable information to the rest of the
> Ruby community, or questions you don?t know the answer too, which would
> provide valuable information to everyone =)
>
>
>
> For some context and/or inspiration, here?s the current IronRuby Q&A:
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcvr9mmg_108c67mcf2b. Feedback or questions
> on the answers are welcome.
>
>
>
> ~Jimmy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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I''m not sure if this is too late or not, but regarding this question:

*Q: **Closures, continuations, and tail-call optimizations are often
discussed in terms of programming language VM''s.  Which of these
attributes
are implementable at present, which are expected to be implemented, and
which are not possible by design?*
*
*
You might want to peek at the Reactive Extensions
Observable.Create<http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/rx/thread/03f4730f-fe11-4ccf-a799-025fa6e73ac2>method.
This method is supposed to represent call/cc on the CLR. Several of
us are still trying to figure out exactly how, but with Rx running on .NET,
Mono, and Silverlight, you should be covered. This is probably a 1.x
feature, but I just wanted to throw it out there.
*
*Ryan Riley


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jimmy Schementi <
Jimmy.Schementi at microsoft.com> wrote:
> All,
>
>
>
> RubyInside.com <http://rubyinside.com/> will be running a series of
> articles about all the various Ruby implementations, written by the
> implementers, and each article is accompanied with a Q&A-style section.
>
>
>
> IronRuby hasn?t really received any IronRuby-specific questions, so I?d
> like to ask all of you to propose questions (as a reply to this mail),
which
> I will then answer in the article =P. These can be questions you know the
> answer to, but think would provide valuable information to the rest of the
> Ruby community, or questions you don?t know the answer too, which would
> provide valuable information to everyone =)
>
>
>
> For some context and/or inspiration, here?s the current IronRuby Q&A:
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcvr9mmg_108c67mcf2b. Feedback or questions
> on the answers are welcome.
>
>
>
> ~Jimmy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
>
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No, there is currently no way how to implement continuations on CLR that could
capture stack of arbitrary managed method frames. If all frames were under your
control you could compile them in a special way that supports continuations.
That?s IMO what Rx provides. In theory we could IL-rewrite IronRuby.Libararies
into code that supports continuations and we could generate continuations aware
IL for Ruby methods. But as soon as you have a call to an arbitrary .NET method
that wasn?t compiled with continuations support in the middle of your stack
trace it breaks.

Tomas

From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Riley
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:36 PM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Questions for IronRuby''s RubyInside
Article

I''m not sure if this is too late or not, but regarding this question:

Q: Closures, continuations, and tail-call optimizations are often discussed in
terms of programming language VM''s.  Which of these attributes are
implementable at present, which are expected to be implemented, and which are
not possible by design?

You might want to peek at the Reactive Extensions
Observable.Create<http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/rx/thread/03f4730f-fe11-4ccf-a799-025fa6e73ac2>
method. This method is supposed to represent call/cc on the CLR. Several of us
are still trying to figure out exactly how, but with Rx running on .NET, Mono,
and Silverlight, you should be covered. This is probably a 1.x feature, but I
just wanted to throw it out there.

Ryan Riley

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jimmy Schementi <Jimmy.Schementi at
microsoft.com<mailto:Jimmy.Schementi at microsoft.com>> wrote:
All,

RubyInside.com<http://rubyinside.com/> will be running a series of
articles about all the various Ruby implementations, written by the
implementers, and each article is accompanied with a Q&A-style section.

IronRuby hasn?t really received any IronRuby-specific questions, so I?d like to
ask all of you to propose questions (as a reply to this mail), which I will then
answer in the article =P. These can be questions you know the answer to, but
think would provide valuable information to the rest of the Ruby community, or
questions you don?t know the answer too, which would provide valuable
information to everyone =)

For some context and/or inspiration, here?s the current IronRuby Q&A:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcvr9mmg_108c67mcf2b. Feedback or questions on
the answers are welcome.

~Jimmy

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