Ironruby core - Mar 2008 - Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008 project

If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.

Thanks,
-John

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No, I would actually prefer it.

-Rob Bazinet

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>
wrote:
>  If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -John
>
>
>
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+1 to 2k8.

Aaron

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Robert Bazinet <rbazinet at gmail.com>
wrote:
> No, I would actually prefer it.
>
> -Rob Bazinet
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rob Bazinet
> InfoQ Ruby and .NET Editor
> http://www.accidentaltechnologist.com
>
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> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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Ditto.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Aaron Junod <tranqy at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to 2k8.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Robert Bazinet <rbazinet at
gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No, I would actually prefer it.
> >
> > -Rob Bazinet
> >
> >   On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >    If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob Bazinet
> > InfoQ Ruby and .NET Editor
> > http://www.accidentaltechnologist.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >
> >
>
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2k8 FTW.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Jayme <jayme.edwards at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ditto.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Aaron Junod <tranqy at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > +1 to 2k8.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Robert Bazinet <rbazinet at
gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > No, I would actually prefer it.
> > >
> > > -Rob Bazinet
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > -John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > > > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Bazinet
> > > InfoQ Ruby and .NET Editor
> > > http://www.accidentaltechnologist.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Ironruby-core mailing list
>  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
>


-- 
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[Polymath Prokrammer]
http://blog.prokrams.com

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Will it still target .NET 2.0, or will it target .NET 3.5?
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

We''re still targeting 2.0 today. But we will likely start using C# 3
features soon (one project already does, but it''s not essential).

Thanks,
-John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-
> bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Joe Chung
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS
> 2008 project
>
> Will it still target .NET 2.0, or will it target .NET 3.5?
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core

I have a working copy from a few weeks ago, I''ve been using it since I
let
VS upgrade it and it seems to work.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>
wrote:
> We''re still targeting 2.0 today. But we will likely start using C#
3
> features soon (one project already does, but it''s not essential).
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-
> > bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Joe Chung
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:11 PM
> > To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS
> > 2008 project
> >
> > Will it still target .NET 2.0, or will it target .NET 3.5?
> > --
> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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+1

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Matthew Miller <podunk.vn at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have a working copy from a few weeks ago, I''ve been using it
since I let
> VS upgrade it and it seems to work.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We''re still targeting 2.0 today. But we will likely start
using C# 3
> > features soon (one project already does, but it''s not
essential).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -John
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:ironruby-core-
> > > bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Joe Chung
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:11 PM
> > > To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a
VS
> > > 2008 project
> > >
> > > Will it still target .NET 2.0, or will it target .NET 3.5?
> > > --
> > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ironruby-core mailing list
> > Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>
>

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2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com>:
> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I don''t use VS)
but
choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C# 3 features
causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)

-- 
Seo Sanghyeon

Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
> 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>:
>   
>> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>>     
>
> Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I don''t use
VS) but
> choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C# 3
features
> causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)
>
>   
Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people 
capable of running IronRuby...

Michael Foord

2008/3/23, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at
voidspace.org.uk>:
> Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
>  capable of running IronRuby...
Using C# 3 features does not mean using .NET 3 features.

-- 
Seo Sanghyeon

Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the additional
features on Mono? Or are there any issues with installing .NET Framework 3.5?

Tomas

-----Original Message-----
From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Michael Foord
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008
project

Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
> 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>:
>
>> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>>
>
> Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I don''t use
VS) but
> choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C# 3
features
> causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)
>
>
Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
capable of running IronRuby...

Michael Foord
_______________________________________________
Ironruby-core mailing list
Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core

Tomas Matousek wrote:
> Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the additional
features on Mono? Or are there any issues with installing .NET Framework 3.5?
>
>   
.NET 2 has a wide installed user base. .NET 3 penetration is much lower.

I know that at Resolver Systems < http://www.resolversystems.com >, 
where we are building a spreadsheet development environment with 
IronPython, *most* of our customers have .NET 2 and very few have .NET 3.

As Seo says though, using some C# 3 language features is not the same as 
depending on .NET 3.

Michael Foord
IrnPython in Action
http://www.manning.com/foord
> Tomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces
at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Michael Foord
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008
project
>
> Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
>   
>> 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>:
>>
>>     
>>> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>>>
>>>       
>> Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I don''t
use VS) but
>> choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C# 3
features
>> causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)
>>
>>
>>     
> Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
> capable of running IronRuby...
>
> Michael Foord
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> _______________________________________________
> Ironruby-core mailing list
> Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>

I think the primary concern would be with C# 3.0 features that the
mono compiler does not support, i.e. Extension Methods, Lambdas,
Linq...  Though I know they''ve been working towards support.
Secondary concerns would be .NET 3.0+ libraries that Mono hasn''t
implemented yet.  Right now (well as of Rev 77) I can compile IronRuby
on mono in Linux, don''t want to loose that.

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tomas Matousek
<Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com> wrote:
> Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the additional
features on Mono? Or are there any issues with installing .NET Framework 3.5?
>
>  Tomas
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces
at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Michael Foord
>  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
>  To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>  Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008
project
>
>
>
> Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
>  > 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>:
>  >
>  >> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>  >>
>  >
>  > Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I
don''t use VS) but
>  > choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C#
3 features
>  > causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)
>  >
>  >
>  Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
>  capable of running IronRuby...
>
>  Michael Foord
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ironruby-core mailing list
>  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ironruby-core mailing list
>  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>


-- 
Michael Letterle
[Polymath Prokrammer]
http://blog.prokrams.com

Linq would be the biggest thing.  The reason being, when devs begin to get
very serious with new things like this, mono users are screwed...

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Michael Letterle <
michael.letterle at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the primary concern would be with C# 3.0 features that the
> mono compiler does not support, i.e. Extension Methods, Lambdas,
> Linq...  Though I know they''ve been working towards support.
> Secondary concerns would be .NET 3.0+ libraries that Mono hasn''t
> implemented yet.  Right now (well as of Rev 77) I can compile IronRuby
> on mono in Linux, don''t want to loose that.
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tomas Matousek
> <Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the
> additional features on Mono? Or are there any issues with installing .NET
> Framework 3.5?
> >
> >  Tomas
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Michael Foord
> >  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
> >  To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> >  Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS
> 2008 project
> >
> >
> >
> > Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
> >  > 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com>:
> >  >
> >  >> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  > Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I
don''t use VS) but
> >  > choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use
of C# 3
> features
> >  > causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know.
:)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
> >  capable of running IronRuby...
> >
> >  Michael Foord
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ironruby-core mailing list
> >  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ironruby-core mailing list
> >  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
> >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Letterle
> [Polymath Prokrammer]
> http://blog.prokrams.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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Last time i talked to Miguel, he said that they were done implementing linq
modulo bugs.

- John
Sent from my phone

________________________________
From: Matthew Miller <podunk.vn at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:08 AM
To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org <ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008
project

Linq would be the biggest thing.  The reason being, when devs begin to get very
serious with new things like this, mono users are screwed...

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Michael Letterle <michael.letterle at
gmail.com<mailto:michael.letterle at gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the primary concern would be with C# 3.0 features that the
mono compiler does not support, i.e. Extension Methods, Lambdas,
Linq...  Though I know they''ve been working towards support.
Secondary concerns would be .NET 3.0+ libraries that Mono hasn''t
implemented yet.  Right now (well as of Rev 77) I can compile IronRuby
on mono in Linux, don''t want to loose that.

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tomas Matousek
<Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com<mailto:Tomas.Matousek at
microsoft.com>> wrote:
> Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the additional
features on Mono? Or are there any issues with installing .NET Framework 3.5?
>
>  Tomas
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ironruby-core-bounces at
rubyforge.org<mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>
[mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org<mailto:ironruby-core-bounces
at rubyforge.org>] On Behalf Of Michael Foord
>  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
>  To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:ironruby-core at
rubyforge.org>
>  Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 2008
project
>
>
>
> Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
>  > 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com<mailto:jflam
at microsoft.com>>:
>  >
>  >> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>  >>
>  >
>  > Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I
don''t use VS) but
>  > choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use of C#
3 features
>  > causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know. :)
>  >
>  >
>  Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of people
>  capable of running IronRuby...
>
>  Michael Foord
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ironruby-core mailing list
>  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:Ironruby-core at
rubyforge.org>
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ironruby-core mailing list
>  Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:Ironruby-core at
rubyforge.org>
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
>


--
Michael Letterle
[Polymath Prokrammer]
http://blog.prokrams.com
_______________________________________________
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Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org<mailto:Ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
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John Lam (DLR) wrote:
> Last time i talked to Miguel, he said that they were done implementing 
> linq modulo bugs.
>
In some ways Mono users are better off in this regard. Presumably when 
integrated it will just be a standard part of Mono.

For .NET users it is an additional dependency.

Michael Foord
http://www.manning.com/foord
> - John
> Sent from my phone
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Matthew Miller <podunk.vn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:08 AM
> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org <ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS 
> 2008 project
>
> Linq would be the biggest thing.  The reason being, when devs begin to 
> get very serious with new things like this, mono users are screwed...
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Michael Letterle 
> <michael.letterle at gmail.com <mailto:michael.letterle at
gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the primary concern would be with C# 3.0 features that the
>     mono compiler does not support, i.e. Extension Methods, Lambdas,
>     Linq...  Though I know they''ve been working towards support.
>     Secondary concerns would be .NET 3.0+ libraries that Mono
hasn''t
>     implemented yet.  Right now (well as of Rev 77) I can compile IronRuby
>     on mono in Linux, don''t want to loose that.
>
>     On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tomas Matousek
>     <Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com
>     <mailto:Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com>> wrote:
>     > Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the
>     additional features on Mono? Or are there any issues with
>     installing .NET Framework 3.5?
>     >
>     >  Tomas
>     >
>     >
>     >  -----Original Message-----
>     >  From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>
>     [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>] On Behalf Of
Michael
>     Foord
>     >  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
>     >  To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
>     >  Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to
>     a VS 2008 project
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
>     >  > 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com
>     <mailto:jflam at microsoft.com>>:
>     >  >
>     >  >> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>     >  >>
>     >  >
>     >  > Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I
don''t use VS) but
>     >  > choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s
use of C# 3
>     features
>     >  > causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will
know. :)
>     >  >
>     >  >
>     >  Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of
>     people
>     >  capable of running IronRuby...
>     >
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In any case, there will be an interop question to answer here. I think  
we can assume .net will always be x number of features ahead of mono.

Being a .net developer by day, interop with .net would be more  
important for me. I''d love for ironruby to be able to support all of  
my .net artifacts no matter when we upgrade. I''m sure plenty of people
in the list will think mono support is more important to them.

I''m wondering how possible it will be to support both scenarios by  
mixing in the different language constructs when needed.

I realize the interop stories haven''t been given much thought yet, but
the earlier this dialog is started the better off the implementers  
will be when its time to hit the road.

Aaron


On Mar 23, 2008, at 13:57, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>  
wrote:
> John Lam (DLR) wrote:
>> Last time i talked to Miguel, he said that they were done  
>> implementing
>> linq modulo bugs.
>>
> In some ways Mono users are better off in this regard. Presumably when
> integrated it will just be a standard part of Mono.
>
> For .NET users it is an additional dependency.
>
> Michael Foord
> http://www.manning.com/foord
>
>> - John
>> Sent from my phone
>>
>> --- 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Matthew Miller <podunk.vn at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:08 AM
>> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org <ironruby-core at
rubyforge.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to a VS
>> 2008 project
>>
>> Linq would be the biggest thing.  The reason being, when devs begin  
>> to
>> get very serious with new things like this, mono users are screwed...
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Michael Letterle
>> <michael.letterle at gmail.com <mailto:michael.letterle at
gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    I think the primary concern would be with C# 3.0 features that the
>>    mono compiler does not support, i.e. Extension Methods, Lambdas,
>>    Linq...  Though I know they''ve been working towards
support.
>>    Secondary concerns would be .NET 3.0+ libraries that Mono
hasn''t
>>    implemented yet.  Right now (well as of Rev 77) I can compile  
>> IronRuby
>>    on mono in Linux, don''t want to loose that.
>>
>>    On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Tomas Matousek
>>    <Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com
>>    <mailto:Tomas.Matousek at microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>> Can you be more specific? Are you worried about support of the
>>    additional features on Mono? Or are there any issues with
>>    installing .NET Framework 3.5?
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
>>    <mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>
>>    [mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org
>>    <mailto:ironruby-core-bounces at rubyforge.org>] On Behalf Of
Michael
>>    Foord
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:09 PM
>>> To: ironruby-core at rubyforge.org
>>    <mailto:ironruby-core at rubyforge.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] Planning to change IronRuby.sln to
>>    a VS 2008 project
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sanghyeon Seo wrote:
>>>> 2008/3/22, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at microsoft.com
>>    <mailto:jflam at microsoft.com>>:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone strongly objects, please let me know ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Choice of VS version doesn''t affect me (since I
don''t use VS) but
>>>> choice of C# language version does. If IronRuby''s use
of C# 3
>>    features
>>>> causes me trouble, I will scream loudly so that you will know.
:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Depending on .NET 3 features will greatly reduce the number of
>>    people
>>> capable of running IronRuby...
>>>
>>> Michael Foord
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>>
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:55:11 -0600, John Lam (DLR) <jflam at
microsoft.com> wrote:
> Last time i talked to Miguel, he said that they were done implementing linq
modulo bugs.
The most recent release (1.9) contains a *HUGE* number of improvements to both
their C# 3.0 feature support as well as LINQ-related feature support. Though
quite obviously they exist somewhere in the feature chain, as of this date I
have yet to run across any compilation or runtime issues between .NET 3.5 and
Mono 1.9, though I''ve only recently (as of the last 3-4 months) started
taking full advantage of both in the Nuxleus code base (which covers a fairly
large swath of the FCL.)

That said, if there''s one thing that''s been proven more times
than I am both willing and able to count it''s that the Mono Project
developers are constantly driven by the challenge to ensure the DLR and related
projects are able to both compile and run against the Mono assemblies.  In other
words, sometimes the best way to get something fixed is to highlight the fact
that it''s broken.  Pushing the envelope via using some of the more
alluring features and functionality of both C# 3.0 and .NET 3.0/3.5/LINQ is
certainly one way to find out what works and works well and what is in need of
attention.

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