Instantrails users - Jul 2007 - Instarails with existing Ruby installation

I''ve been doing development for the last few months with GTK on ruby. 
I
need Rails for a project I''m starting.  The installer appears to detect
the existing installation sufficiently well to not step on it (or
%PATH%), but this is causing more problems (and even more later).
Namely, rails is not in my path, I''m not going to be able to follow the
tutorial.  Much more importantly, my rails aps are going to hit the
non-rails installation directory.

 

The simple solution (to me) is for rails to do the necessary installs
into any existing ruby install it finds.  I''m tempted to poke into
source & try to do it myself, but I''m afraid of there being a bunch
of
places which hard-code the directory.

 

And yes, I''m going to be working on both projects now...

 

Help?

 

Nathan Zook

 

 

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On 7/5/07, Zook, Nathan <Nathan.Zook at amd.com>
wrote:
>
>  I''ve been doing development for the last few months with GTK on
ruby.  I
> need Rails for a project I''m starting.  The installer appears to
detect the
> existing installation sufficiently well to not step on it (or %PATH%), but
> this is causing more problems (and even more later).  Namely, rails is not
> in my path, I''m not going to be able to follow the tutorial.  Much
more
> importantly, my rails aps are going to hit the non-rails installation
> directory.
>
>  The simple solution (to me) is for rails to do the necessary installs
> into any existing ruby install it finds.  I''m tempted to poke into
source &
> try to do it myself, but I''m afraid of there being a bunch of
places which
> hard-code the directory.
>
>  And yes, I''m going to be working on both projects now?
>
>  Help?
>
>  Nathan Zook
>
This is a little bit confusing since Instant Rails does not have an
installer, but let me take some educated gueses.

The whole point of Instant Rails is to not modify your system environment:
no registry entries, no path changes. When you want to do things in a
particular instance of Instant Rails you have to do it through the Instant
Rails manager application (InstantRails.exe).

So, for example, when you want to use the "rails" command you would
use IR''s
menus and select the menu command "Rails Applications > Open Ruby
Console
Window". That will open a console window, and in that console window (only)
IR *will* be on the path... as the first item in the path. That way
everything you do in that window will uses the Ruby/Rails that belongs to
that instance of IR.

The same thing happens when you do other things from the IR manager (like
starting a Rails Apps with Mongrel) -- that instance of IR is put on the
path for that running instance only.

Curt
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I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the tutorial at

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/12/14/revisiting-ruby-on-rails-r
evisited.html?page=2#generate

 

I''m going to use source control, so my App directory structure looks
like this:

C:\App

            branches

            tags

            trunk

 

So I did:

 c:

 mkdir App

 cd App

 mkdir branches

 mkdir tags

 rails trunk

 

No dice.

 

 

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From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Curt
Hibbs
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:04 AM
To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation

 

On 7/5/07, Zook, Nathan <Nathan.Zook at amd.com> wrote:

	I''ve been doing development for the last few months with GTK on
ruby.  I need Rails for a project I''m starting.  The installer appears
to detect the existing installation sufficiently well to not step on it
(or %PATH%), but this is causing more problems (and even more later).
Namely, rails is not in my path, I''m not going to be able to follow the
tutorial.  Much more importantly, my rails aps are going to hit the
non-rails installation directory.

	 The simple solution (to me) is for rails to do the necessary
installs into any existing ruby install it finds.  I''m tempted to poke
into source & try to do it myself, but I''m afraid of there being a
bunch
of places which hard-code the directory.

	 And yes, I''m going to be working on both projects now...

	 Help?

	 Nathan Zook


This is a little bit confusing since Instant Rails does not have an
installer, but let me take some educated gueses. 

The whole point of Instant Rails is to not modify your system
environment: no registry entries, no path changes. When you want to do
things in a particular instance of Instant Rails you have to do it
through the Instant Rails manager application ( InstantRails.exe). 

So, for example, when you want to use the "rails" command you would
use
IR''s menus and select the menu command "Rails Applications >
Open Ruby
Console Window". That will open a console window, and in that console
window (only) IR *will* be on the path... as the first item in the path.
That way everything you do in that window will uses the Ruby/Rails that
belongs to that instance of IR. 

The same thing happens when you do other things from the IR manager
(like starting a Rails Apps with Mongrel) -- that instance of IR is put
on the path for that running instance only.

Curt

 

 

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Hi Nathan,

Zook, Nathan wrote:
> I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the
> tutorial at <snip>
> I''m going to use source control, so my App directory
> structure looks like this:
> C:\App
>           branches
>            tags
>            trunk
>
> So I did:
> c:
> mkdir App
> cd App
> mkdir branches
> mkdir tags
> rails trunk
>
> No dice.
Your ''rails trunk'' command generated a Rails skeleton app
named ''trunk''.  If
you''re planning to use Subversion (SVN) for your source code control
system,
that''s not how it works.  Setup your SVN repository, generate your
Rails app
per the tutorial, then import the app into your repository''s trunk. 
I''ll be
doing a tutorial on SVN for the cookbook app in the next couple of months 
but, for now, you might want to check out the one at:
http://www.yasashiisyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/subversion.html

HTH,
Bill

No.  It looks like this:
C:\App>rails trunk
''rails'' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Which is why I was talking about the path.  Our group policy is to
checkout at the root level and to delete expired branches, which is why
I was trying to create trunk under App instead of App under C:\.

Nathan



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From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Walton
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM
To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation

Hi Nathan,

Zook, Nathan wrote:
> I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the
> tutorial at <snip>
> I''m going to use source control, so my App directory
> structure looks like this:
> C:\App
>           branches
>            tags
>            trunk
>
> So I did:
> c:
> mkdir App
> cd App
> mkdir branches
> mkdir tags
> rails trunk
>
> No dice.
Your ''rails trunk'' command generated a Rails skeleton app
named ''trunk''.
If 
you''re planning to use Subversion (SVN) for your source code control
system, 
that''s not how it works.  Setup your SVN repository, generate your
Rails
app 
per the tutorial, then import the app into your repository''s trunk.
I''ll be 
doing a tutorial on SVN for the cookbook app in the next couple of
months 
but, for now, you might want to check out the one at:
http://www.yasashiisyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/subversion.h
tml

HTH,
Bill 


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How did you get your command prompt? You''ll only get the path set
correctly
if you open your command window *through* the Instant Rails menus.

Of course, as Bill said, even if you do that, you do not want to do "rails
trunk" unless you are trying to create a Rails application named
"trunk".

Curt

On 7/6/07, Zook, Nathan <Nathan.Zook at amd.com>
wrote:
>
> No.  It looks like this:
> C:\App>rails trunk
> ''rails'' is not recognized as an internal or external
command,
> operable program or batch file.
>
> Which is why I was talking about the path.  Our group policy is to
> checkout at the root level and to delete expired branches, which is why
> I was trying to create trunk under App instead of App under C:\.
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Bill
> Walton
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM
> To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
> Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
> installation
>
> Hi Nathan,
>
> Zook, Nathan wrote:
>
> > I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the
> > tutorial at <snip>
>
> > I''m going to use source control, so my App directory
> > structure looks like this:
> > C:\App
> >           branches
> >            tags
> >            trunk
> >
> > So I did:
> > c:
> > mkdir App
> > cd App
> > mkdir branches
> > mkdir tags
> > rails trunk
> >
> > No dice.
>
> Your ''rails trunk'' command generated a Rails skeleton app
named ''trunk''.
> If
> you''re planning to use Subversion (SVN) for your source code
control
> system,
> that''s not how it works.  Setup your SVN repository, generate your
Rails
> app
> per the tutorial, then import the app into your repository''s
trunk.
> I''ll be
> doing a tutorial on SVN for the cookbook app in the next couple of
> months
> but, for now, you might want to check out the one at:
> http://www.yasashiisyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/subversion.h
> tml
>
> HTH,
> Bill
>
>
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Hmm...  What a tantalizing clue!

 

Let''s see.  I installed rails...there.  Okay.  I see an exe.  Run it.
Window comes up, so that must be it.  Menus...  Okay, that''s the little
button NOT on the title bar...  Help, Log Files, Configure, Rails
Applications, Restart Server, Stop Servers....  Should not be anything
but Rails Applications...  Manage Rails Applications, Open Ruby Console
Window, Open Windows Explorer...  Cannot be anything but Manage Rails
Applications, but how is a DOS prompt a  Rails Application? ... Hmm...
Lot of stuff to look at here.  Create New Rails App.  Well, that''s what
I want to do really, not get a DOS Prompt...  Eureka!

 

Okay guys, that REALLY needs to be tutorialized.  ;-)

 

Thanks.

 

 

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From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Curt
Hibbs
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 4:32 PM
To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation

 

How did you get your command prompt? You''ll only get the path set
correctly if you open your command window *through* the Instant Rails
menus.

Of course, as Bill said, even if you do that, you do not want to do
"rails trunk" unless you are trying to create a Rails application
named
"trunk". 

Curt

On 7/6/07, Zook, Nathan <Nathan.Zook at amd.com> wrote:

No.  It looks like this:
C:\App>rails trunk
''rails'' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Which is why I was talking about the path.  Our group policy is to 
checkout at the root level and to delete expired branches, which is why
I was trying to create trunk under App instead of App under C:\.

Nathan



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From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Walton
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM 
To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation

Hi Nathan,

Zook, Nathan wrote: 
> I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the
> tutorial at <snip>
> I''m going to use source control, so my App directory
> structure looks like this:
> C:\App 
>           branches
>            tags
>            trunk
>
> So I did:
> c:
> mkdir App
> cd App
> mkdir branches
> mkdir tags
> rails trunk
>
> No dice. 
Your ''rails trunk'' command generated a Rails skeleton app
named ''trunk''.
If
you''re planning to use Subversion (SVN) for your source code control
system,
that''s not how it works.  Setup your SVN repository, generate your
Rails

app
per the tutorial, then import the app into your repository''s trunk.
I''ll be
doing a tutorial on SVN for the cookbook app in the next couple of
months
but, for now, you might want to check out the one at: 
http://www.yasashiisyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/subversion.h
tml

HTH,
Bill


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Hi Nathan,

Zook, Nathan wrote:
> Okay guys, that REALLY needs to be tutorialized.  ;-)
Take a look at http://instantrails.rubyforge.org/tutorial/index.html.  I 
haven''t updated it for Rails 1.2.x, but the Instant Rails setup /
config /
etc. should still be valid.  Happy for feedback.

Best regards,
Bill

Hopefully the screen shot below will come through.
 
To get the DOS prompt mentioned you need to go to Rails Applications |
Open Ruby Console Window from the icon to the left of the Apache button.
 
 
 
 
This will open a dos prompt properly pathed to the Instant Rails ruby
and rails tree.  From there you can then navigate anywhere you want and
create your app (i.e. C:\App> rails trunk )
 
Hope this helps!
 
--Bill


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[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Zook,
Nathan
	Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:17 AM
	To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
	Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation
	
	

	Hmm...  What a tantalizing clue!

	 

	Let''s see.  I installed rails...there.  Okay.  I see an exe.
Run it.  Window comes up, so that must be it.  Menus...  Okay, that''s
the little button NOT on the title bar...  Help, Log Files, Configure,
Rails Applications, Restart Server, Stop Servers....  Should not be
anything but Rails Applications...  Manage Rails Applications, Open Ruby
Console Window, Open Windows Explorer...  Cannot be anything but Manage
Rails Applications, but how is a DOS prompt a  Rails Application? ...
Hmm...  Lot of stuff to look at here.  Create New Rails App.  Well,
that''s what I want to do really, not get a DOS Prompt...  Eureka!

	 

	Okay guys, that REALLY needs to be tutorialized.  ;-)

	 

	Thanks.

	 

	 

	
________________________________


	From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Curt
Hibbs
	Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 4:32 PM
	To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
	Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
installation

	 

	How did you get your command prompt? You''ll only get the path
set correctly if you open your command window *through* the Instant
Rails menus.
	
	Of course, as Bill said, even if you do that, you do not want to
do "rails trunk" unless you are trying to create a Rails application
named "trunk". 
	
	Curt

	On 7/6/07, Zook, Nathan <Nathan.Zook at amd.com> wrote:

	No.  It looks like this:
	C:\App>rails trunk
	''rails'' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
	operable program or batch file.
	
	Which is why I was talking about the path.  Our group policy is
to 
	checkout at the root level and to delete expired branches, which
is why
	I was trying to create trunk under App instead of App under C:\.
	
	Nathan
	
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org
	[mailto:instantrails-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Bill
	Walton
	Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM 
	To: instantrails-users at rubyforge.org
	Subject: Re: [Instantrails-users] Instarails with existing Ruby
	installation
	
	Hi Nathan,
	
	Zook, Nathan wrote: 
	
	> I guess I wasn''t specific enough.  I was following the
	> tutorial at <snip>
	
	> I''m going to use source control, so my App directory
	> structure looks like this:
	> C:\App 
	>           branches
	>            tags
	>            trunk
	>
	> So I did:
	> c:
	> mkdir App
	> cd App
	> mkdir branches
	> mkdir tags
	> rails trunk
	>
	> No dice. 
	
	Your ''rails trunk'' command generated a Rails skeleton app
named
''trunk''.
	If
	you''re planning to use Subversion (SVN) for your source code
control
	system,
	that''s not how it works.  Setup your SVN repository, generate
your Rails 
	app
	per the tutorial, then import the app into your repository''s
trunk.
	I''ll be
	doing a tutorial on SVN for the cookbook app in the next couple
of
	months
	but, for now, you might want to check out the one at: 
	
http://www.yasashiisyndicate.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/subversion.h
	tml
	
	HTH,
	Bill
	
	
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