On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 at 13:46:33, Geoff Shang wrote:> Surely it would be just easier if everyone used the directory servers > listed in the sample icecast.xml file. It sounds like what you're > proposing is doing something manually that should be doable automatically. > Yeah, I know, getting everyone to list on the same YP server is not going > to be trivial, but if a place gets to be known as *the* place to go to find > .ogg streams, everyone will want to list there. > > Anyway, the 2 directory servers I know of can be browsed at > http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2yp/ and http://yp.icecast.net .How about offering access to these two directories via XML? This way it would be possible to create sites which include e.g. information from both of these directories (or of even more) and provide them in their content. Something like a "WebService" (but without the bloated SOAP-things around :-)). Would that be an idea? If a station is listed in both dirs you can easily detect this. But to know which directory entry is more up2date (e.g. when doing title-updates) it would be good to have a "last touched"-time for each entry in the XML-file. Shouldn't be too hard to implement in the existing directories, right? And maybe someone would set up a "directory colaboration server" that might summarize entries from different yellowpage-directories and submit them alltogether to oddsock's dir (in colaboration with oddsock, for sure - not against his will by brute force!). <p> Stefan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 17 Jun 2003 at 14:18, Oliver Stirling wrote:> On a slightly different note I was wondering if it was possible to add > to the yp directory on a different port than http? My station is a > student radio station in the UK and we are behind the uni firewall and > as far as I know I can't get icecast to use the proxy. > > However with shoutcast we can report to port 666 which I can use as > they don't block all outgoing ports. > > Hopefully someone can be of help.Well since Icecast uses plain http for updating the YP I guess adding proxy-support (for usual http-proxies) to Oddcast etc. shout be the best solution :-) Maybe Oddsock might have a look at this, since I believe it's not that much work from "protocol view" to rewrite the queries a bit so they fit http-proxy-needs. What strikes me most: If you are firewalled, how can you broadcast a stream from that machine? Stefan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On a slightly different note I was wondering if it was possible to add to the yp directory on a different port than http? My station is a student radio station in the UK and we are behind the uni firewall and as far as I know I can't get icecast to use the proxy. However with shoutcast we can report to port 666 which I can use as they don't block all outgoing ports. Hopefully someone can be of help. Thanks. -- Oliver Stirling #===============# |Head of IT | |Junction11 | |www.1287am.com | #===============# Security bars are no defence against monkeys --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Stefan Neufeind wrote:> If a station is listed in both dirs you can easily detect this. But to > know which directory entry is more up2date (e.g. when doing > title-updates) it would be good to have a "last touched"-time for each > entry in the XML-file.doesn't icecast's YP functions touch all directory servers at the same time? I still think that the best way to ensure that most people are listed in the one place is to make it desirable for people to be listed in that place. Why do you think that so many people are listed on shoutcast.com and why so many icecast 1.x users want to be? Because that's where people know to go to get MP3 streams. Personally, I'm surprised that a server hasn't been set up on icecast.org and made the official server. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 17 Jun 2003 at 23:11, Geoff Shang wrote:> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > > If a station is listed in both dirs you can easily detect this. But > > to know which directory entry is more up2date (e.g. when doing > > title-updates) it would be good to have a "last touched"-time for > > each entry in the XML-file. > > doesn't icecast's YP functions touch all directory servers at the same > time? > > I still think that the best way to ensure that most people are listed > in the one place is to make it desirable for people to be listed in > that place. Why do you think that so many people are listed on > shoutcast.com and why so many icecast 1.x users want to be? Because > that's where people know to go to get MP3 streams. > > Personally, I'm surprised that a server hasn't been set up on > icecast.org and made the official server.Yes, why haven't they? Who's in charge of icecast.org? I guess that might be the right point to start working on it, yeah. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I have another idea about those yp questions. How about implementing some kind of yp network (like botnet with eggdrops in irc) so the yp servers could communicate with each other sending all their station information the the connected servers. -- CU und wech... Daniel ...this is Linux Country. If you listen carefully you can hear Windows reboot! ...and may the breaks be with you! http://thefront.is-a-geek.com (new homepage, 70% done) http://www.thefront.tk (old one) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.