On Sunday 01 June 2003 02:04, Stefan Neufeind wrote:> On 1 Jun 2003 at 1:44, Geoff Shang wrote: > > I don't see a lot of point adding MP3 output support to ices 2.x. > > Ices 0.x does MP3, ices 2.x does ogg. Seems simple enough. Ices 0.x > > will even read ogg files. There's an argument for enabling MP3 input > > support for ices 2.x, but as has been said already, patent issues are > > a problem now that decoders need to be licensed, so I don't expect to > > see it. > > But we're not talking about "decoding", are we? Just sending the raw > mp3-data to the server. Or are you talking about re-encoding while > streaming to the server? In this point I agree with your patent- > doubts!Without attempting to argue the validity of these claims, I'll just put forward the fact that the mp3 patent licensors claim that their patents cover any form of mp3 streaming (as a _seperate_ thing from encoding and decoding), and that you should pay them for doing so. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hi: My understanding was that the ices 0.x app was still being maintained. If it doesn't work with icecast2, and I've not personally tried it, then there's some problem with either ices 0.x or icecast2 and it needs to be fixed. icecast2 should also accept shoutcast-style MP3 streams as well, and again if this doesn't work, it's a bug that needs fixing. I don't see a lot of point adding MP3 output support to ices 2.x. Ices 0.x does MP3, ices 2.x does ogg. Seems simple enough. Ices 0.x will even read ogg files. There's an argument for enabling MP3 input support for ices 2.x, but as has been said already, patent issues are a problem now that decoders need to be licensed, so I don't expect to see it. Geoff. <p> -- Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au> ICQ number 43634701 Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 1 Jun 2003 at 1:44, Geoff Shang wrote:> I don't see a lot of point adding MP3 output support to ices 2.x. > Ices 0.x does MP3, ices 2.x does ogg. Seems simple enough. Ices 0.x > will even read ogg files. There's an argument for enabling MP3 input > support for ices 2.x, but as has been said already, patent issues are > a problem now that decoders need to be licensed, so I don't expect to > see it.But we're not talking about "decoding", are we? Just sending the raw mp3-data to the server. Or are you talking about re-encoding while streaming to the server? In this point I agree with your patent- doubts! --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Sat, 31 May 2003, Stefan Neufeind wrote:> But we're not talking about "decoding", are we? Just sending the raw > mp3-data to the server. Or are you talking about re-encoding while > streaming to the server? In this point I agree with your patent- > doubts!Well, since ices 2.x only has ogg output, then yes, you'd have to do decoding. As far as sending MP3 output to icecast2, ices 0.x already does this and there seems little point to me in hacking up another tool to do a job that an existing tool is already doing. Now, as I said, if there are issues with ices 0.x and icecast2, then that's a bug which needs to be fixed. Geoff. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.